Ah yeah,my bad - forgott that.
facts only count when attacking the horde and even then only certain ones. you cant argue with these people
Your excuses are as pathetic as usual. The remaining Orcs did try to let the past behind. But it was Yrel and the new Naaru who rekindled the war because they tried to force the light on everyone on Draenor. Canât wait to put her head on a pike and avenge Durotan and Grommash.
Even more stupid to turn him neutral for the sake of the DK plot.
Which makes them boring. Nobody wants to play as green humans.
You need wood to build stuff. Not everyone can be blessed with having Elwynn at their doorstep. Humans had easy mode on in the civilization game. All the Orcs got is the barrens. A wasteland with zero natural resources.
This is problematic.
The Alliance should be more pro-active. The Gilneans strike against the Forsaken during the Legion is a good thing. Why wait until another atrocitiy before action is taken against the Horde?
The Zandalari had to be put down and significantly weakened before their membership into the Horde.
Zandalari have made multiple incursions outside of Zandalar so in their weakened state Alliance interests can be safeguarded.
No difference. Same Horde difference Warchief.
Literally Every single Warchief cheated during the Horde âsacredâ duel MakâGora.
A shaman gets their strength from the elements. The elements saw that Thrall cheated and disagreed with how Garrosh Hellscream died. So Thrall lost his connection to the elements.
the allaicen attacked dazzar alor to prevent the zandalari joining the horde who were just allies at that point and murdered the king.
a warchief who doesnt follow what the horde stands for which you repeatedly ignore
Thrall lost connection because he doubted himself. Nothing to do with the elements abandoning him. The spirits donât care about mortal traditions. Only of your manners when you ask for their power.
Edith: i have been roleplaying an Orc shaman for 14 years now so I know what IAM talking about.
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An eye for an eye only ends up making whole world blindâŚ
The world can be changed by patientce and showing compassion
Sometimes you have to be the âgrown upâ
Hindenburgâs Germany wasnât a certain manâs Germany with funny mustacheâŚ
It is hard to cheat when you not agreed the terms, even thoâ I hate Garrosh, he wasnât aware of the poison on his blade⌠sure after that he not resigned, but thats another story
Thrall not really cheated, but he felt he cheated - but in reality, it wasnât cheting (Magic has never been stated to be forbidden, and has, in fact, been used in multiple Makâgora duels and thus seems to be permitted)
Not the elements turned away from Thrall, Thrall cut himself away from the elements because of guilt
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that was during the mokgora with cairne and he helped get justicer against magatha
Being the grown up doesenât kill Jaina. When Zandalar calls for aid the council better not stand in our way.
Umm. You know that the Void is specialises in manipulation right?
Either directly or by proxy. Many of the Black Dragonflight was manipulated the whispers of the old gods.
1st war 2nd War 3rd war 4th war. There are Horde that remain through all of them.
The Horde went to war under Varok Saurfang. Yet other Horde like Eitrigg still remain.
Rexar came through the Dark Portal. He engaged in the first war, He was neutral during the Legion invasion but chose to wage war against Kul Tirans and the Alliance during the 4th war. Yet another war that the Horde started.
Ah you again. To debunk your claims. Was that personal? probably. Yrel did watch her own sister sacrificed by one of the Warlords of Draenor and the Iron Horde.
The Horde might have a: Just get over it. Approach.
However the Orcs that are PEACEFULLY coexisting under High Exarch Yrels regime can just get over it as well. Life outside of the âguidanceâ of the Light.
The Maghar were defeated and pushed back to their final stronghold that was defeated by High Exarch Yrelâs forced.
Once again. These campaigns have nothing to do with the Alliance.
In Warhammer 40K there is a known quote: Only in Death does duty End.
Nazgrim fulfilled his duty to the Horde. Lead its defence during the Siege. Then died in service to the Horde and itâs Warchief. A Horde rebellion and civil war does not mean that Nazgrim did not die as a general of the Horde.
So his duty to the Horde has finished. A new duty to the Knights of the Ebon Blade can begin.
You do not address the point. Similar to how the Shaman has a duty to try and bring order to the elements that are chaotic in their nature. The Druid has a duty to safeguard nature and its balance. Yet for so long ONLY the Druids of the Alliance the Night Elfs fought in defence of nature.
The Druids of the Horde done nothing some even fought FOR the deforestation of nature.
Orcs purposely chose a barren wasteland.
you can accept a horde rebellion against an evil warchief but not that the horde isnt evil?
Just your headcanon. The Magâhar have presence on Draenor still. If Sylvanas was still in charge we would have supported them in gaining it back fully. But since the council is full of passive cowards their home renains under siege.
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It will be a cold day in Hell when the proud zandalari asks for help from the lowly HordeâŚ
Not to mention, casualities of war are rarelly avenged; no one really loves to admit, he got his behind handed to him on silver plate and lost.
Donât forget, after Rastakhanâs death Bwonsamdi himself appeared before Talanji, who demanded to know what he had done to her, unaware of the pact her father made that bound his bloodline to the loa of graves. In response, Bwonsamdi merely revealed that her father never told her about their bargain.
When asked by her allies about what to do about the fleeing Alliance, she turned towards Bwonsamdi, who with his gesture encouraged Talanji to order the Horde to go after the Alliance
Good old Bwonsamdi pulled the strings (I think he knew the Banshee Queenâs deals, and wanted her horde to commit suicide⌠almost worked tho")
Talanji or her allies not really wanted to pursue the AllianceâŚ
The Zandalari were not participants in the war at all. The alliance weakened them too much to be of any use. Also I donât expect anything from Thrall and Baine since they are known for letting their allies down when it matters. Gazlowe, Geyâarah and Rokhan however might show some actual help. This war is not over until Jaina Proudmoore is brought to justice.
That is none of the business of the Horde. The Zandalari were not a member of the Horde under King Rhastakhan. Only after the coronation of Queen Talanji did the Zandalari request leadership that was accepted by Sylvannas.
Incorrect again.
a Warchief will always represent the Horde. While there are rebels and even Horde civil wars and internal conflicts. The Horde still follows their Warchief.
Many Horde champions chose loyalty to Sylvannas over following Varok Saurfangâs rebellion.
Incorrect. To repeat it. Shaman gain their strength through the relationship with the elements. Siege of Orgrimmar literally had dark Shaman twisted the elements for miles around to prevent Thrall from using his Shamanism.
The elements stopped answering Thrall then outright rejected him during Legion.
The elements also refused the Horde genociding the Draenai, So they turned to the Fel as well as the demon blood.
In a conflict between the selfish and the self less. The self less will lose every single time.
The Alliance was proactive in weakening the Zandalari Trolls navy and military strength - killing their king and their government.
Now a significantally weakened Zandalari Troll nation and people does not upset the balance between two global superpowers.
Can not just be the punching back of the Horde.
MakâGorra.
Meant to be 1 weapon. Only a blessing accepted and a dual to the death or one concedes. Thrall Isolated Garrosh from the Warsong clan and then cheated.T
The elements were not part of Mak Gorra. Clearly Garrosh was defeating Thrall in this conflict until Thrall cheated and used the elements.
BS. They were allies at least. He says so himself in the intro teaser.
you ignore fact time and time again whats the point
Donât bother. She talks out of their behind.
boomer male in a basement most likely
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Horde civil war is still Horde. Simply one side wins over the other and that becomes the more dominate aspect of the Horde. Complete with all the nuances and differences.
What you call head-cannon others call in game quests and content.
^^ Every player to unlock the Magâhar Orcs have seen this quest.^^
Around 14 minutes the Ogre Chieftan said âYou can not protect your own people, daughter of wolves. Why would we follow you?â
The Ogres knew who the losing side is.
Then from 17 minutes you see what is clearly a last stand scenario.
Peaceful coexistence was still possible. Yet the Maghar fought against their own kin. Around 19 minutes. âThis once-fertile land is now lifeless dust. Thatâs what your hate has doneâ
Around 23 minutes they are losing ground their final bastion is falling.
Horde should be warned. That while High Exarch Yrel is not a part of the Alliance. The Alliance will not standby as the Horde attempt yet another Genocide.
The Horde can not force their way of life on the Orcs who chose to live under the regime of the Light.
The Zandalari Trolls are simply using the Horde as a shield.
On their own they donât really have much of a miltary force left. So any revenge against the Alliance would be met with reprisal. But under the Horde there is a peace treaty. One that the Alliance more likely than not wonât break.
The Zandalari chased after the Alliance champions that put down King Rhastakhan. They also fought against High Tinker Mekkatorque and Jaina Proudmoore.
Rhastakhan was simply using the Horde to deal with his own issues. He became blinded and stagnant during his reign ignoring Talanji who took a more proactive approach to the threats against Zulduzar and the Zandalari trolls.
I consistently debunk your points with facts - in game knowledge and references. You continually try to change the goal posts.
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^^ This is literally content for the Horde players that like Nazgrim chose to remain loyal to the Warchief during the Battle for Azeroth ^^