Predicting BG experience

Oh right, I’ll scare you all a bit more again with some more information I just remembered:

Coercion.
As explained in the long post above, there has been a certain small region (I won’t say which, because that’s against the rules) where it became a social norm with the prevalence of these rulebreaking premades, that if a “random” came into the premade’s BG, such as AV for example, then they’d force this random to do what the premade said.

Now, the way they could force their way like this, is because there’s a right-click AFK report implemented too, for people on your own team. If only one reports a person, it does nothing. If only a few reports a person, it “marks” that person as afk, and will kick the person from the BG after a minute of not having entered PvP combat.

If a lot reports a person for being AFK, it instantly kicks the player from the BG.

So with this system, the premade would get rid of “non-cooperative” randoms in their BGs. Or if they just didn’t like the class/spec the player was playing, or didn’t like the gear of the player because it was “too low ilvl”.

This became the social norm in this region.

This might become a social norm in Classic, if they include that report system too. They’ve already included the automated right-click reporting for other things, so no reason to think they won’t do it for the BGs.

While it never became a social norm in the EU-English servers over on retail, it might become that way if the premades starts mimicking this behavior.
Because the difference between the large EU-English region and the smaller ones, was that the smaller ones could run their premades by manipulating the queue timing.
So the premades are the main cause of what led to such a social norm forming.

These days, this particular small region rarely runs premades anymore, due to how many of the other regions having dropped in the amount queuing, but the social norm of not tolerating that low ilvl or having to obey the BG leader still remained.

It’s highly toxic.

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Its going to be cool, do we get XP in BG?

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If it’s like in vanilla, then you only get experience from turning in the marks. The losing team gets 1 mark, while the winning team gets 3.
You need 3 to turn in marks iirc. Anyway, it also gave reputation back then.

What kind of a gear will be available to buy for honor?

when battleground

So no gear for honor…

To anyone checking the thread for the first time, check the two long posts up above if you want some insights and examples of how the BG “experience” might turn out like.

It’s worth the read.

Premades will ruin bgs for the casual community, which will result in even longer queues for both factions.
I myself am looking forward to getting av exalted for the ring, and never ever touching battlegrounds again.

When have you played your last AV in retail?

You play the last patch of vanilla.
This means you get the zergtheboss version.
Sadly :frowning:

While this is true, that does not have to be the case.

I’m not sure I even want the land-mines or buffed archers though. Both feel horrible to play against.
Crossing the stormpike bridge with several archers shooting 1k arrows at you every two seconds with nowhere to hide is super demotivating.
Trying to dodge the ganksquad in the Field of Strife (middle of AV) only to be oneshot by the same damn land mine every time… Worst feeling.

Genius! :joy: Should of kept that one quiet!

Horde are going to get queues for av. I picture big horde turtles most games.

All it takes is 2-3 mages at the choke

Sh*ts gonna be lit fam, really looking forward to it.

Based on my experience from PVE scene and WPVP, it is gonna tryhard (very hard) and everyone and their mother will be premading making solo queueing a worse experience than landing at Thorium Point as Alliance.

So more people quiting and Classic becoming more and more the horrible hybrid child of a private server mixed with M+ / rbg / arena culture from Retail :smiley:

I am optimistic.

Well the ideal version of AV would be the version with turn-ins, mines and elite bowmen…

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I came back to Warlords of draenor and tried av :slight_smile:

horde will have longer Qs.
alliance will have instant Qs.
horde PuGs win more games than alliance PuGs
alliance premades will win most WSG and AB games
horde premades will split up into smaller groups so they can get into games faster
horde will form ~5man premades
alliance premades will then start to dominate
pure PuG games become rare as there are many smaller horde premades
alliance PuGs get destroyed most of the time
many alliance quite BGs out of frustration or play AV exclusively
horde will face premades in most WSG and AB games

for single realm BGs this is normally how it turns out eventually. sometimes the factions are reversed.

I can only hope that xrealm will bring in more random players that PuG BGs will remain very active.

I will mostly solo queue and hope I don’t have to deal with premades. Not really sure how the queue system works in classic.

I can’t see turtles being possible with no mines or elite bowmen… Just Fap -> Mount -> Sapper