You’re so full of nonsensical claims it’s unbelievable.
You bring up ad hominem and whatnot, but guess what? When referring to you and the moronic crap you’ve been spouting then it’s relevant, which makes it not into an ad hominem.
Referring to what I’ve said then it doesn’t make sense and is literally irrelevant to the arguments provided.
Oh, I’m so sorry. Did I hurt your feelings? Are you upset you didn’t know what a straw man fallacy is?
Kinda like what you’ve been using nonstop? Claiming I’m saying things I haven’t, in order to “beat” those made-up claims.
The queue system they ask for with a separate queue for pugs have never existed in World of Warcraft. So it’s absurd to demand it in Classic, that is a recreation of the game from 2006.
You can’t have premade vs premade and pug vs pug only because of how the honor system works, as that would either kill premades or cause rankers to try and find a way to game the system, like what happened with AV premades.
Βοth sides, have their arguments. But both sides have either naive, exaggeration or hypocritical elements.
-Classic is not for casual players…Why don’t you go retail?
-premade vs premade bracket, without proposing something as a compensation for longer games.
-Solo queue=single player game
-Form a premade yourself. But we LOVE fighting (stomping) pugs.
-Ranking is about time, not skill. Forgetting, that hardcore premades are the main reason for that. For some reason people assume that it was intentional by Blizzard to make the worst PvP ranking possible.
-Since pugs meet only premades, solo queue players are small minority (10%?). Why would they even join, if they feel hopeless and sometimes angry with this situation? When AB released, half of my games were against pugs. Now its 90% against premades.
-premades will find a way to exploit separate bracket system. They will join as raid, in pug vs pug bracket? Thats a new one. How will they do that?
I play in a premade for the last three days. Mist of them say “when I reach rank X (usually 10) I will stop playing BGs. Thats how muck they are sick of this grinding. Maybe in a pug vs pug only (5 man max) system, we all would enjoy PvP more.
Dont think there is enjoyable PVP in wow atm. Even premades cant think its fun to GY camp pugs ? is that really competetive play?
PVP has become a grind purely to get the gear. And once you have reached your rank you wont set foot in another BG. classic pvp is cancer
A straw man (or strawman ) is a form of argument and an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent’s argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man ".
So the wast majority of the playerbase will still play the game?
And how come its beside the point when it’s a fact? There is more to WoW than just PvP.
What about the altoholics, goldfarmers, weekendwarriors, RP guys?
Where do you draw the line between pug and premade? 5 players? Just have multiple groups of 5 queue at the same time, when several groups get a pop at roughly the same time, 1 person from each group joins to scout if they got into the same game. If yes, everyone else joins, if no, drop queue and try again.
I think join as 5 man group to be the perfect middle ground for BGs.
They fixed premades exploiting in AV. They probably can fix it in AB and WSG also.
But no one is exploiting the WSG/AB queue! It’s working as intended.
If we are making suggestions I would suggest removing solo queues from all BGs and only allowed raids to queue. Problem solved and 100% fair for everyone. Right?
Fine by me. If I can’t follow, I’ll quit. If you are fine with people quitting for the same reason, keep walking.
About your first paragraph, you obviously didn’t read previous posts. We said “IF we implement separate queues, what could happen”.
I am totally fine with people quitting if they don’t enjoy a 14y old game and prefer a more balanced symmetric and modern eSport system like retail have. Classic is unfair and unbalanced by design and that’s an important feature. It’s about grinding and getting advantages in any way you can especially as a group.
You’re a cute Troll, described your own activity here. My points are valid, you don’t have any.
I’m not upset, i’m amused by the fact that you continue proving me right(i.e no arguments whatsoever, off-topic troll).
The only objective truth here, is that you insulted me from the beginning(evident for everyone to see). A person that needs resort to such an immature behavior is the only one easily upset, threatened. Basic psychology.
I suggest you stop writing, take a deep breath and actually take a moment and analyze the crap you are typing. Stop cluttering the thread with more drivel, let those that actually have arguments write or start contributing with your own.