I am too starting to think #changes might be needed.
Blizzard could for example experiment with just a no-premade WEEKEND. Thats when most casuals are online, and for the hardcore rankers it doesnt really matter as everyone has the same problem of not getting into a premade.
Iam not an anti premade, they should exist in this game BUT the ammount of premades are really hurting the game atm…
I really cant enjoy pvping a morning doing some casual bgs, iam being camped in all my wsg and ab matches, i will NEVER step inside wsg or ab again if they are not doing something about this, this will keep on happening in tbc aswell in eots.
Agreed. Premades only vs other premades. Otherwise, it’s not playing at all.
When alliance could premade av . Horde where most likely to play against pugs in 10 or 15 man bg’s. Just saying the one thing positive about av premade before.
Today I gave it another shot to see if the situation has gotten better. Nope. 5 out of 5 games in AB were against premades.
And for horde AV is not an option. Last night I queued for 2 hours but never got in. At 1 AM the estimated time to get in just change and said “unavailable”.
The only PVP options for horde at 60 got is getting GY camped vs premades. I’m not doing that.
Because of covid-19 boredom I will play some alts until the 2 weeks I got left of my sub runs out. I’ll just check the forums once in a while to see if blizz decides to made separate premade vs premade queues. If they do I’ll come back.
When a premade faces another premade they usually concede and let the other one 5-cap in order to get out of that game ASAP and maximize their time spent rolling clueless pugs. Why you are 99% likely to face a premade. A blizzlike #nochanges solution would be to monitor and issue short suspensions to these players under rules against wintrading, this would decimate their ranking gains. It also helps if PUGs try to get a 1 cap game and HKs because they are usually very bad.
They should be making two queue’s, one for pugs, solo only queue, and one for premades. This will help the average Joe enjoy the game and not get spawn camped for 10min into a loss.Even if they impose class spec restrictions to avoid a horde side with 0 healers, vs alliance with 3-5 every match.
Such a joke, in an AB with, 5 Mages, 3 Wars, 1 preist, 1 Lock, 3 Rogues, and myself, an Ele sham. Alliance: 3 druids, 1 Pal, 6 warriors, rest rogues.
The primary incentive for premades is to farm honor. Premade vs premade, assuming it’s a fairly even match, is horrifyingly bad honor.
Effectively, this suggestion would remove the primary incentive for premades in the first place.
I know I’ve written this actually thousands of times, but we knew premades would be a feature. We’ve known for 15 years. You had 15 years to complain, whine, moan and unsub. Why now?
Stop being slow in the head.
Understandably, but I want to enjoy this as well and not suffer 50 losses in a row. It kills the pvp aspect as well as the BG, and I then won’t go back.
It’s like them removing the twinks from retial by enforcing locked XP chars into a different queue.
Then you have 4 options:
Quit… Then when everyone does this instead of waiting for rankers, you destroy the queue system and ultimately BG’s fail as a whole. I understand your PoV, but remember, more causals play than hardcore players.
Casuals generally have a bad time in classic.
That’s not a reason to change the original game, that we all waited for for so long.
We knew exactly what we were getting. You were even warned by the Blizzard CEO. You remember the whole “You think you do, but you don’t” thing? Yeah? That’s you. He was talking directly to you and casuals like you.
And that’s fine. We don’t all love the same things. I’m not expecting you to enjoy being GY camped. But that’s the game you subscribed to. And we knew it was going to be. You subscribed anyway.
Guys… Don’t take beware seriously, lmao.
This guy isnt a real person, it’s a bot.
To be fair. What these guys claim is that it’s very different from when they played Vanilla retail. I don’t think that’s an extraordinary claim in any way that there are way more premades in 2020 compared to 2005. But that’s not the game who have changed and actually the players who have changed so there is nothing to fix. Anyone who have played on a private server would know this was going to be though. I sure know I did expect exactly this.
And then all “premade should be stomping pugs” players will say “if you are facing mainly premades, then you are the minority”.
The actual game is very different in Classic, in the original run of vanilla the PVP rank rewards were different during BWL era, in that they were much worse since they had their item level updated when Naxxramas was introduced and R14 caster weapons were not in the game. A lot of players running BGs are merely trying to get their best in slot untill naxx. Naturally making PVP gear bis for PvE is gonna bring in a lot of people who don’t care about PVP and who are just trying to grind other players the best they can.
Another consequence of this is consistently getting a laughably bad class composition in each PUG you play, a majority, >50% of people ranking seem to be warriors and you are not suprised to find 10+ Warriors in a pug team. A lot of people think PVP is fun but do not have any decent gear for PVP outside the ranking rewards. Notably Warriors are affected by this, and if you are a mage like me always stay back in each fight and you will get an opportunity to frost nova their entire team.
It’s not really worse than PUG v PUG though unless you are really bad at video games. And the honor system is relative. God forbid you would actually have to beat other players at higher rates in order to move up in PVP ranks…
And you aren’t really talking about preventing Pre vs PUG from happening at all, just less. Which would be easily accomplished by issuing short suspensions of a week or so to premades who wintrade.
Blizzard said they wanted to stay ‘true to vanilla’, but it seems they forgot everything else have changed: the world, people, gaming meta, social media, youtube and a lot else. If you want a 2006 thing to feel like a 2006 thing, but you’re living in 2020, believe me: you gotta make some adjustments so it feels the same.
I wasn’t there but I bet back in 2006 you wouldnt be matched against full premade teams 15 times in a row, like happens very often nowadays. If that was the experience people had back then WoW would never even make to TBC. Also, If that specific topic wasn’t a problem, TBC would have never tryed to improve it by implementing arenas (for the less casual who want better rewards), and since we all know the actual matchmaker does not offer equal chances of winning (thats a pvp killer), I don’t see why postpone this fix any longer. WoW pvp doesn’t have to be crap till tbc. That’s not staying ‘true to vanilla’, thats losing a good chunk of your subscribers.
Nobody’s asking for delusional fixes in those premade / bg threads, people are just sad they can’t get joy from a game they literally invest money to play, it gets even worse cause it’s literally a design flaw any game developer could realize.
If blizz allow people to queue solo and as a group (which they do by design) it’s clear they want to include every player, so its pointless to tell people to gtfo of your game, you’re already wrong. blizz must make sure both player styles are pleased and able to play fair matches, otherwise people will simply get bored and quit.
why invest money into a game with poor pvp that require no skills and is unfamiliar to fair grounds concept?
why investing time in being good if you dont need to be good ?
some engineer could probably develop some machine to hit keyboard keys and play av semi afk meta the whole day, high warlord analogycal bot
Blizz wouldn’t ever know its a bot cause the average bg player follow the same pattern and also doesn’t sleep.
I love how you all are solo players and the premades are just a small minority of minmaxers yet you meet premades in 100% of your bgs. And you all ‘know’ why they are premading and that they win trade and throw games left and right, yet you have never played in a premade yourself. Here’s a mindblowing newsflash, people premade for different reasons, for fun with the guild, Max honor/h, troll the opposite faction, boredom and the list goes on. Please ask yourselfs, if you face premades 100% of the time, maybe YOU are a small minority, maybe you should do something else then queue for Wsg on Wsg weekend during peak hours.
And btw k dog give a rats butt if you quit the game, we still have que time to log in on the high pop servers.
No litte Gnome. The reason that pugs are against so many premades is that you are just a bunch of win traders that are not interested in pvp itself. You are not pvp players. You are only interested in minmaxing your honor. Thats why you just going afk as soon as you are against other premades to get it over as fast as possible to get to next match for farming pugs.
And thats also the reason that 99% of you suck so hard when you are catched in a 1vs1 without your pocket healers. Even those shiny r14 weapons doesnt change this fact. Sorry to disappoint you.