Premade PvP will make people quit classic WoW

Yes.

I don’t. I simply tell you that I wont be playing with you if you intentionally play a meme spec.

That doesn’t mean that you can’t play it, it just means I dont have the patience for you.

If you wish to experience the game at your own pace, be my guest. But the majority of Classic players, or at least; the majority of Classic players that dont quit after a month, are already familiar with Classic and everything that it is about.

You can’t expect everybody to play at your pace.

I wish you all the best with that. The world is the same, the people in it are different.

Why would I say that you should?

The “fun fact” is that without private servers proving that there is infact a demand for Classic, we wouldn’t have Classic at all.

The question here is really:

Would Blizzard at all consider changing this? I’m certain the intended game design for BGs was not for pugs to be facing 95%+ premades, and it was never the case in 2006 either. They did after all change the queue system quite deliberately to prevent premades in AV (which was also not the initial intended game design, and never occured back in 2006 either). Although that was far more exploitative in nature.

I’m fairly certain that in a fair vote a wide majority of players would not want pugs to be facing full premades 95%+ of the time (maybe a silent majority, sure - the #nochangers might scream about it).

Regardless, I doubt Blizzard will do anything about it (even if a very easy solution would be to just limit the maximum premade size to 5 people - just like they did in the later expansions).

Additional bonus question: When will the premaders whom are very blatantly wintrading with other premades (i.e. essentially all of them) have all their honor and the items they’ve gained through cheating removed?

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My premade have 4 Ragnaros maces and we cant log in together because corona problems on server and blizzard dont make smaller queue is problem. HELP! they robbing us

You morons threat this game like a work. I’m over with you. Have a good life.

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This isn’t like work at all. At work, I actually have to co-operate with people that I dont want to co-operate with.

I feel no such hinderance when doing something that I enjoy, fore that is entirely on my terms.

It is very true, I have seen many rank 14 players who do not know how to use their character.

That’s exactly why a change needs to happen, sooner than later. The current situation is that unemployed no’lifers ruins it for casual players. People will get bored and quit.

No’lifers come here to the forum and talk about ‘‘skill’’ ‘‘coordination’’ but it isn’t true, most of these clowns will surrender and wait at the graveyard if they can’t faceroll pugs when they meet another better premade. It was always about the honor/hour.

5 man join, aka semi premades would for sure be better than the disgusting current situation that rewards unemployment, makes life hell for casuals.

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The problem is that you casuals are just going to quit anyway. The “unemployed no lifers” as you call them, are the life blood of the game.

Only an idiot would abandon their core to appease casuals.

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Casual does not mean quitting, it means having a social life and real life responsibilities, this is and always was the life blood. Not some nerds making life impossible for the rest(abusing an ancient system that needs adjusting)

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It also means that something else is going to bother you and you will quit. What are you going to do about needing nature protection pots for AQ40 and needing frost protection pots for Naxx, but not being able to afford them?

No, it isn’t. That is the blood of retail. Classic was born of the people who wanted something different.

Those “nerds” are the reason you even have a Classic to begin with. You’re in their game, they’re not in yours.

well, i tried hard to enjoy classic wow pvp, but it does feel like a waste of time. thing is, pvp competition is only fun if its fair but bg’s atm forces solo players to become meat for premades, without a choice, without a chance, instead of separating them as it should be, accordingly to their initial ideal of pleasing both player styles by offering both type of queues.

I’ve been posting about this issue for several weeks, but sadly blizz really doesnt seem to care that such a design flaw (premade vs pub allowed) is bleeding their game from inside, so why should we ?

What’s wrong about fixing issues that could only emerge in 2020? We all know its a 15yo game but this specific problem was there since always. Since you brought it back, why not fixing it ? I don’t get this attitude either.

My only tip, if you wanna preserve your mental health, do as I did:
Cancel your subscription. We shouldnt buy / play games that aren’t fun.
Make sure you explain why you cancelled tho, its the only way they listen.

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im basically at the same stage as you, this is no fun at all. they need to fix the queuing system, facing 99% chance of a premade is no fun at all

i also do think its fun playing in a premade either, where is the fun in either getting camped at your gy or you camping the other person at a gy!? its not!

its a game and its meant to be FUN , fun is PUG v PUG, i dont want to spend a night relaxing getting facerolled by rank 13 teams

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No, FUN isn’t what YOU say it is at all. You dont get to decide how other people have fun.

If you dont like the way people play Classic, you were never the target audience.

If you thought that people would suddenly go back to playing dumb like the “good old days”, then that’s your problem.

Is there a way, to ignore someone in this forum?
Some people have nothing to offer. They are arrogant and irritating. I would like to save some time and mental health.

Blizzard not b ringing forward BGs and letting people camp flight paths for a month when PvP first came out made loads of people quit.

oh so you enjoy pug v premade? well come on

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Stop typing nonsense please. Casual means irregularly, aka can’t dedicate the whole day to World of warcraft classic. There are many reasons as to why people quit but the definition of casual(casual and hardcore players alike) isn’t quitting.

Life blood is what sustains the game, casuals represents the majority. Even if there are quitters new ones will keep coming in as long as the game is fun to play, more reason for Blizzard to fix Premades that threatens this.

Your’re a vocal minority that the forums are now speaking up against(yes you seem to be the same 20ish guys trying to convince everyone how the sickly premades are to be justified with philosophical arguments and amateurish talk about game design).

But the truth is, current system is ill-adapted to todays gaming culture(it was very different in the early 2000) and adjustments to Battlegrounds(AB/WSG Premades) are in order that would just improve the experience overall, those that would lose out(aka no’lifers) should not be playing games anyways as their addiction is detrimental to both their physical and mental health. It’s a win- win.

No, the reason we have classic is because Blizzard saw the opportunity to profit from it, and that they have(to the point it may be more popular than retail, much thanks to all the ‘‘casuals’’ flooding in).

It’s time to wake up and leave the nerdy delusions , this isn’t your game at all.

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would love to block miylee

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So unless you are able to get a full premade you should just go to AV… I think solo players should not get matched against a full 10-man premade. I hope that get fixed for TBC.

I’m not typing nonsense, I’m literally the only person here typing ANY sense. You people are just whining, whining about a non issue.

I didn’t say the definition of casual was quitting, I said casuals were going to quit. If you get your way, you’re eventually going to get bored and you’re going to quit.

If you dont get your way? You’ll cry and quit.

The hardcore “no lifers” however, that asked, begged and pleaded for Classic for 12-14 years? They’ve gotten exactly what they wanted and they’re happy with it.

Not in this case you don’t. You sustain retail: Classic was created for the “minority”, as you call them. Blizzard said they were making it as a love letter to the fans, whether it gets 10 active players, or 10s of thousands.

Irrelevant, the forums have always been a place for people to complain. You’re a minority in the actual game.

That is justified because that’s the point of the game. You whiners though? You’re all the same. You’re all trying to take the moral highground, claiming that premades are stopping you from playing.

They’re not, they’re making it harder for you to play YOUR way. YOUR way isn’t the classic way. Adapt to the game instead of demanding that it adapt to you; you and your kin are the reason retail ended up like it did.

No. Those that would lose out are the very people that the game was made for. Do you know how the ranking system works?

Classic isn’t more popular than retail.

If you think it is then you really shouldn’t be using words like “delusions”.

Of course you would. What kind of reasonable person wants to read objections from the opposite side of an argument?

A lot of you have nothing to offer, yet I still read what rubbish you write regardless.

But since you asked. Select my profile, in the top right corner is the word “Normal” written in blue. Select that, and you can press “ignore” from there.

You’re welcome.