Premade team abuse / unfair pvp

[Bewarê-frostmane]

@Heretus-gandling

Forming a raid to do a raid is normal as that is what raids are made for thus you play within the nominal parameters , I do not think I need to emphasize you are going against mobs and not players and that if you are not vastly over geared raids still hold some challenge (the challenge they were meant to)

Wrong.

@Heretus-gandling

The equivalent of PvP would be for pre-made “raids” to face other premade “raids”, allowing premade “raids” to go against “pugs” 9/10 times is basically cheating and I elaborate :

Cheating is using unfair advantage negating any skill required to “beat” the game.

Also wrong.

@Heretus-gandling

That is the very definition of premades vs pugs, as they rolfstomp the “raid” environment and gain loot (via rankings , honor , rep) within 6-8 minutes and thus are basically abusing the system (or lack thereof) and gain what is practically Free awesome gear.

Wrong.

@Heretus-gandling

Since they are willing to form premades , they should be willing to wait for the que to match them against premades , negating the “cheating” part and bringing back the challenge as it supposed to be.

Illogical and self-serving argument.

@Heretus-gandling

Same goes for pugs, pugs vs pugs (if not vastly undergeared / skilled) poses a challenge even if you loose, you get to adapt on strategies and there is always some loss / gain of ground.

Wrong.

@Heretus-gandling

How is it NOT cheating ?

It’s part of the design of PvP as a whole, regardless of the game. The focus on absolute fairness in online games where there’s no difference whatsoever is a community-driven agenda made popular via esports. Doesn’t apply to MMORPG though, those are fundamentally about individual differences built up over time.
As for PvP, there’s no inherent “fairness” to a matchmaking without rating. Because any difference in skill, regardless if it’s a premade or not, and because the game has job roles such as healer, melee dps or ranged dps and then even further differences between each class & race, this means that you can’t quantify an absolute “fair” matchup.

Ever.
Especially not with such a stupid and flimsy metric like only how large the group that’s queuing is.

The game was designed in a way where certain things shines more than others depending on the situation while in other situations it’s vice versa, and even talents follows that principle. It’s called situational usage.
They haven’t even been able to get rid of it in retail yet, there’s still the stereotypical debate about “ranged vs. melee” advantages & disadvantages.

This is because it’s not an FPS where everyone starts with the same things. It’s not a board game where everyone starts with the same things, like chess for example.

So this is why a bad premade will get stomped just as much as a bad randomly matchmade team, while a good randomly matchmade team has the inherent potential to stomp just as much as a premade. The odds of it happening is slim because it requires more of each person and luck with the setup, but it’s not impossible.
AV stomping by horde after premades were made much harder to pull off on the alliance side is a good example of this effect.

There’s so much sophistry in your posts, I’m surprised you haven’t been arrested yet for trying to skew the interpretation of a law that differs from the legal definitions. (Or maybe you have? idc)

@Heretus-gandling

Judging by the fact that over 90% of the games are against premades it is apparent that there is no lack of them , so why pit premades vs pugs ?

@Bewarê-frostmane

1. The way it’s designed falls under the umbrella term called social design . It’s designed in a way to encourage grouping up with friends, and also to get to know more people to bolster your forces in a similar way to how you don’t tackle raids alone but need other people for it so you’re pushed into talking to other people for such things. It’s the same reason 2D platform games sometimes sends you back to the start when you die, it’s meant to serve as a subconscious motivational tool to avoid going through the punitive aspect of it by getting better , like getting people you can perform better teamwork with than with randoms.
2. You’re saying “95%” of your games are vs. premades so this obviously shows it’s working as intended in the social design . Which makes YOU the minority and should just learn to socialize so you’ll reap the same benefits, or simply stay away from PvP if you don’t like the reduced rewards you get for losing. Don’t turn this into retail’s asocial aRPG garbage more than it already is.

Crybaby.

That’s why.

@Heretus-gandling

Pugs vs premades is Cheating due to unfair advantage and negation of challenge

It isn’t. Not even close to it. Learn the definition of cheating in games before you say such stupid nonsense.