Premade team abuse / unfair pvp

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There’s this issue with BG PVP at the moment, where random solo players will often be matched against full premade teams.

10 or 15 guys that never seen each other before, without voice coms, definately not on same page / strategy
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10 or 15 organized guys that have been playing together a lot, with voice coms and probably a lot of BG experience

My question is: How’s this fair ? I know WoW is a old game with its flaws, but now you guys have the oportunity to fix issues that actually matter, without breaking the game.

Im not asking for class balance, nerfs, new items, im asking for the oportunity to engage into real BG experience, with fair conditions and chances of winning.

THE PROBLEM:

At this point, most of the BG (specially WSG + AB) experience looks like this:

  1. Match begins
  2. Check if opposite faction is all from same realm
  3. If no = play the game
  4. if yes = team loses faith, moral, ends up getting destroyed / camped til humiliated (imagine you go to real life war with a bow and a few arrows, than the enemy come with war tanks and helicopters, thats how it feels to go against a full premade team)

Imminent solution: Give the premade teams the chance to play good matches against equivalent enemy teams, give them a new match finder for 15x15, 10x10, 40x40. Separate PUB from PREMADE, no need to ban small groups of queueing together tho, I feel like its only unbalanced if more than 50% of a team is premade. This will make it impossible for the Premade teams to keep exploiting honor gains against randomly formed teams. Would also make BGs a lot more enjoyable / non toxic for solo players. Everyone gets happy, BGs restores their quality. I bet nobody would care to wait a bit longer on queue in order play fine matches, unless they play the game with some sad mindset.

I mean, who cares about how shiny TF is ? You guys have real issues to fix, issues that are making the PvP experience horrible, unbalanced, literally feels like a waste of time.

And also, what is the value of a High Warlord / Grand Marshal tittle if all it means is that you won a huge number of unfair matches that you have 99% chance to win? Might aswell change the tittle to something more sketchy, considering the sketchy things you gotta do to get there.

To end this, just wanted to add that the last thing you wanna hear about your game’s PvP, is that it’s unfair on its roots. PvP has to be fair and challenging. Imagine getting home after living you life, trying to have some fun on WoW and find yourself trapped into toxic unbalanced matches.

Thanks for your time, I hope you dont get it wrong, I just wanna help making azeroth great again.

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Was kinda obvious that a game ment for team play and social connection, would spam premades in pvp… You also need 5/40 People to get blue /purple’s in raid… Work for you’re items with friends in pvp.
They made retail to deal with youre problem.

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Im not against premades, im pro fair matches for all scenarios and that’s very clear.
Please think twice before going retard mode :smiley:

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Was nearly same back than.
Difference is:
As solo puger back then you had 6 pre mades out of 10 BGs, today you face 9 premades out of 10.
One and Only solution for this is to increase honor and rep when queuing solo by some 10%ish

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Am I the only one seeing the irony of a guy who’s in a guild which anime wise was known for being ruthless killers making a post on the forums complaining about being killed by people better than him?

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Not really, this just shows your ignorance of premade exploitation.
The way the methods works, and has always worked, is to manipulate the queue in ways that manually reduces the size of the pool of players you can get matched up with in that moment to then have a high chance of ending up with your premade even without queuing as a premade. It has always worked like this.

While they’ve added more redundancy to the matchmaking to make such things harder to do, like batching up the pools and so on, this still doesn’t prevent the already small matchmaking pools to seek out ways to do those exploits again.
Which means the solution is not to incentivize such exploitation further.

The solution is to get rid of the motivation. Which means to remove the honor and rep you get when queuing solo, to incentivize many more people to form social networks (similar to the gigantic AV premade discords a few months ago), to more easily find ppl to play with for the moment to get proper rewards for queuing.

That gets rid of the premade vs. pug “problem” (it’s not a problem, you people are just crying a lot because it inconveniences you, which means you’d be a lot happier in retail where there’s an abundance of convenience to placate you) and also draws a clearer line between the solo players (go back to retail please), and the social players (which the game was originally designed for).

To simply reduce the prevalence of premades, realm-only matchmaking would deal with it quite well for some realms. The problem is the social norm of min-maxing being more prevalent now than back then which pushes more people into doing premades regardless in order to min-max the honor per hour, and how some realms are kinda dead.

Another problem is the alliance side’s general unwillingness to PvP, which queue times have clearly shown to be abnormally high on the Alliance side.

Because even though we lack access to official population data, the census projects shows a faction split close to equal across all EU realms put together (not counting the Russian realms), of which everyone is part of the same matchmaking pool so everyone combined affects queue times overall. So when the Horde side has longer average queue times, which they’ve always had in Classic thus far, it means there are just fewer Alliance queuing overall and always have been fewer ppl queuing.

To put it simply, a lot more PvEers chose Alliance instead of the Horde. So even with realm-only BGs, there would be those self-centric skewed perceptions of “Horde has more premades on ma survur because they have moar playurs (even though that depends entirely on the server and overall the split is close to equal), zomg u must nerf nao!!” kinda like now, except with xrealm then both factions have people (the solo players that should go back to retail or stick to pve only) complaining about it.

The self-entitlement is real, bro.

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I understand what you guys say, i just dont know why it’s so hard to accept the way it is atm is unfair… why even bring retail into it ? Why not fix stuff that bring unfair advantages ? You like the game cause it sucks ? I dont get it xD

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Except it isn’t unfair. You can do it as much as anyone else can do it. It’s in your freedom to do so, by design. Inability to do so because of social reasons or because of lack of time is a you-problem and you should then just accept instead that this part of the game isn’t a good fit for you.

I can see you’ve put a lot of thought into this… or not. You seem oblivious to everything except the most obvious things, like how it’s harder to defeat a premade as a randomly matchmade team, while remaining ignorant (either by choice or inability to learn) of the implications of everything involved.

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Your complaining because YOU as a player dont want to or cant get a premade yourself to go into BG’s with so your SOLUTION to this ISSUE is to punish those who are social and team up in a game purely based around social aspects and teaming up with others?

If you want to PVP solo 24/7 go play a different game because wow is about all the things your trying to get punished.

Now if were talking about premades using the report feature to get players flagged for renames to get an advantage during bg’s im right there with ya buddy but all the rest of your crying and anti social complaining is all on you quite frankly.

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Yeah, this is disgusting. Happened a lot in retail too, in rated BGs. There was even a famous case of a multi-glad player in NA getting right-click reported for wintrading at 1600 MMR when they implemented the right-click report function, of which the player went to twitter because he was a pretty known streamer in NA, to then get Blizzard’s twitter people clear it up for him.

The people who abused the right-click were then suspended for abusing the automated right-click system.

It’s just that by automating this part of the system, it saves them a lot of money they’d otherwise need to staff GM positions.

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Basically, no.

If you make it forced premade vs premade, then (depending on how blizzard implement this) you either have people jsut queueing as 4man premades, or 8-9man premades.

Leave it as is.

This is a team game, communication and team-play should be rewarded.

MMORPG.

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Same old stuff, different OP.

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Because none of them read a thread other than their own.

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I think it’s ego more than anything else, the “I’m important so my thread matters” type.

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No… I believe its a case of OP thinks he can put it in a way where we’ll suddenly say Omg why didnt we think of that? but inreality its all the same complaints from the same anti social players who lack initiative to get into their own premades so want to punish those who do by isolating them off from others.

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I see you kids really enjoy assuming stuff, claiming, being rude, etc.
Its fine, i’ve been a kid once and I forgive ya.

I actually participate in to a lot of premades and I just hate playing retarded matches where my enemy don’t stand a chance, specially if its blizzard’s design fault, and easily fixable.

And what exactly are you tiny bois standing for ? you came in this thread basically telling me to gtfo of ur game, adding no information. Im not trying to punish premade people, im trying to provide good matches. If you put a lot of effort into premades I truely belive you wanna fight good matches, otherwise what is your goal? being good at beating bad while having lots of advantages doesnt make you good lmao, makes you a greedy selfish bastard. I believe winning this premade thing vs randoms might just massage your egos ? It’s fine, i’d rather you be a psycopath online than real life.

Do you have fun beating unprepared hordes of enemies ? go play tower defense, they dont even attack ya, easy wins, exactly what you guys love (see, thats not even the point, but since you went there…) Im trying to think of a way to help both premade and casual players experiencing better content. Does giving up on your life to be in those BGs with your friends beating dead dogs make you feel good? Rather play interesting matches lmao, actually train my reflexes.

Y’all acting like spoiled children when told to eat a bit less cake or be less selfish, share toys, etc.
If you feel punished by being forced to match up with teams as strong as yours this means you suck, you’re bad and scared.

WETHER YOU DISAGREE OR DISLIKE, MOST PEOPLE PLAY PVP SOLO or in small groups. Not everyone is unenployed and have the time to beat undergeared /unprepared randoms for months. Believe me, you’re minority and you sound ike those tiny pincher dogs edgy af.

Whats the point of being good at winning easy games.
Anyone without a job can do it all day.
This topic is about having equivalent chances to win, two styles of gameplay that can co-exist. Are you permanently glued to your 14 buddies ? Or too scared to solo queue? I know it can be too complex for your tiny brains, but this thread wasnt meant for you anyways, so just move on.

It’s tottally ego related my bros, can’t you see how your egos are exalting in my thread? It’s just a suggestion, posted on the right place, from a player like you, cept you guys are depressed and have way too much time to know everything that’s on the forum / complain at threads that dont even hurt you.

one tip for you kids: stop assuming stuff, its a declaration of how dumb you are.
second tip for you kids: make better use of your time, life’s too short to flame a thread that try to bring improvements.
third tip: for once, try being polite, no need to be a dick cause you disagree

Anyways, im done with you kids, you totally dont know how to behave lmao.

Thanks a lot for your attention.
the more you comment, better the chances someone with a brain find it :slight_smile:

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Seems like you’re really butthurt tbh. Also, what you’re asking for with

is basically rated matchmaking, which you can find in… oh, that’s right. In retail.

As for information, there’s lots of information. Just because you don’t like reading, do you seriously expect people to bring up all the reasons yet again as to why your thoughts are stupid and shallow just because you parroted arguments already brought up in other threads, where the counterarguments have already been brought up in full?

So each time you make a new thread, I have to write it all down again? Get over yourself. And learn to read more. There’s a search function in the forum, use it to find the threads about the very same thing you’ve been parroting before you spam the forum with yet another new thread about exactly the same things.

Judging by the complaints on the forum, most people seem to be playing in premades. Or else people wouldn’t be constantly facing premades. Please, stop embarrassing yourself. It’s pathetic. Do some research instead, and read the other threads before you display your ignorance for the world to see.

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I just made one thread, are you delusional? im one individual, i speak for myself and directed to blizzard, not to you, gtfo lol. you don’t have to do nothing, post anything, move on kid, get a life. some might identify to it, some might not, who are you to claim anything lmao. if you dont have the patience to build up your arguments, than do nothing, move on. i’ve read other threads, its not like the horrid arguments you guys been using would convince anybody with a brain anyways, your arguments basically show how imature and selfish you are.

I didnt even mention rated BG, this is a no solution. I think more of separated queues that would allow premades to fight equivalent consistent teams, and solo players to fight equivalent formed teams. obviously there are other stuff to consider, but thats up to the game developers. they must be aware there’s an issue tho, and a lot of people are already complaining. we’re just making the issue visible, and you’re helping keep the thread up (Thats how things works, is spreading information a new concept to you?). Its up to blizzard make decisions so spare yourself cause its embarassing.

Disqualifying other people doesn’t make you qualified, kid
Truely hope you get better as a human being.
Cheers

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And trying to denigrate people by calling them “kid” doesn’t make you any better.

This is even worse.

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Yo Dottie. Try showing up to a meeting (real life, not raid) you have not been invited and start talking about how you disagree and hate everything telling them to gtfo, you can’t expect to be treated as an adult. I didnt offend anyone on my 1st post, did you see how many kids got offended tho? People get what they give dude, simple as that. Only kids get triggered like this over a suggestion about a game.

The world will treat you accordingly to how you behave. I didn’t mean to offend by calling them kids, everyone was a kid once, its fine. behave like crap, become crap

Thanks to you too Dottie for keeping this up.

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