You invited our presence by posting, this thread does not belong to you. The forums are more like a drop-in meeting.
So you brought yourself down to their level instead of bringing them up to yours.
That is one big fat lie, you used it to dismiss their valid points.
whats ur goal here anyways? are you also brain dead like the others?
LONG STORY SHORT:
I say: hey, lets make bg better for premade and solo? here’s my thoughts
you guys: no, we like it bad and you suck
do you seriously think you’re on my level?
Who could say Orcs can be this constructive.
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I have never said that, the only thing I ever say is it’s not against the rules. Then the insults start, like the ones from you.
I’m so obviously so much higher than your level.
ahah well, thats actually true and was fun. but you’re smarter than those guys anyways, thats for sure, dont blend with these kinds… i said it to them, not to you, you’re super late…
Did you really write such a wall of text for a completely 2005 cliche “can’t pug vs premade on bg omg” thread?
Well if you actually read it you’ll realize i’m myself a premade player, so nah, this is just you being way more edgy than you should, assuming stuff that you shouldnt. I actually hate wasting time on bad content, I consider winning things that you can’t possibly lose not rewarding.
this is not a 2005 cliche, this is a 2020 situation we’re living now, are ya lost in time? What is happening is that the minority of players that abuse premade mechanics are getting triggered cause everyone is starting to speak about it. Seems those guys really dont want to play fair matches.
I think only allowing 5 ppl at a time to queue for a BG would be the best fix for this issue.
People would still get the chance to play BG together with their friends and other solo players would not get steam rolled over by a full high rank enemy team.
So many letters so many things the guy says something very simple and all try to write poems and history.An algorythm that match in wsg for example 10 people who are premades from same server with 10 other from onother server only that nothing else and if its harder to find they should wait since they want to premade it .
I would suggest to give it a shot. make 2 queues you can use. group and solo. lets see what happens. lets try it.
Ok, wanna know a simple reason why there’s little to no merit in that?
It’s because of queue times.
Queue times have barely anything to do with the amount of people. Queue times are decided primarily by the amount of people queuing on each side however. If one side side has more people queuing than the other, then the side with more people will get longer queue times.
In a situation where both sides are equal in the amount, then the queue times will be equal for both.
Then there are the possible internal server queues dependent on server loads and so on to consider, but it’s primarily decided by the amount of people on each side.
In retail’s rated, it’s decided by the amount of teams on the same rating range and then it keeps expanding the search parameters as time goes on to eventually get a match, but the longer it takes the higher the risk of a large difference in MMR though. Because faction is irrelevant to the rated matchmaking mechanisms.
So the reason why they’ve gone with this massive xrealm matchmaking pool for classic, copypasted from retail, is because the more people you throw into the mix, the higher the potential for keeping matches going 24/7. The more you split it up, the higher the risk of matches only being possible at certain times of the day.
So to split it up would make the “group queue” extremely volatile in time differences, both depending on the time of day and also on the faction you play on. The difference would be far greater than anything seen up 'til now.
And when the honor system is designed to pit you against all the others on your realm & faction, the consequences to such a thing would be immense. Because the way many people group up right now is heavily influenced by the effect it has on the profit it provides to do so.
So as already mentioned, premade exploits all share one commonality which is the reliance on manipulating the queue to still end up together despite not actually queuing up together, by reducing the pool of people you can get matched up with in that moment. Which is still possible for small matchmaking pools, since they can essentially just queue up at the same time without needing to worry about ending up in different instance IDs. The best example of this is the Russian matchmaking pool, since it’s segregated from the rest.
So what would stop the small matchmaking pools from turning to the exploits once more, if you put in arbitrary limitations like that? They’d basically earn more honor+rep per hour by using the exploits instead of only facing premades in the “group queue”.
In retail, when that 5-man limit was put in for all BGs, Russian realms had some people going strong with those premade exploits for years and it even created a very negative social norm. Basically it’d become a normal thing for them to abuse the “Report AFK”-right click function to votekick anyone undergeared or who wouldn’t do exactly as they were told.
It was something that started happening when the EU-English alliance side was doing the exploits a few months ago as well, to votekick players out of AV to bring in more of their premade sometimes.
It’s easy to suggest simplistic ideas, the hard part is actually thinking of feasible ways to do it. Which is what made the OP’s brain hurt so he evidently decided not to and just spewed garbage whenever he was met with counterarguments against his shallow ideas.
Then he claims to have read other threads about it, but he evidently hasn’t since he hasn’t touched a single counterargument mentioned in those other threads. Not a single one. He just ignored it the same way he ignored the few mentioned in this thread already.
Basically he’s a buffoon who probably doesn’t like using his head that much.
Also, this thread is predicated on the assumption that a “premade-only queue” is inherently “fair”. There’s nothing fair about matching a bad premade against a good premade, the bad premade would get stomped just as much. Which is why rated matchmaking is required to accomplish the condition of “fair games”, due to how rating systems work compared to the randomness of unrated.
Which, as already mentioned, can be found in retail. It has the things you all want already. So go there if you don’t like it in Classic. It’s infinitely meaningless to turn Classic into Retail. Or you can just stick to PvE.
See, now I went out of my way to mention things that has been mentioned lots of times already. Things you all would know if you actually bothered looking it up. The OP’s argument that I should “add information” every time one of these shallow threads pops up is just insane though. He just needs to learn how to read.
Ok, buddy.
Oh look, half immune to stuns guy finds something to be unfair.
Gamebreaking!
Why do you call it unfair?
Vanilla wasn’t fair. Classic isn’t fair. If you want fair, and want your hand to be held whilst you cross the road; go play retail.
Haven’t seen you in a while. Can’t say I missed you, but I certainly noticed a lack of “wahh orcs op” posts.
Oh the irony. Do you truly not realize how pretty much everyone in this thread is far above you, both in making their arguments and in acting politely while doing so. You are the unwashed guy who climbed a soapbox in a park and started raving, the normal people around told you “that’s dumb, get off the box you weirdo”, to which you responded by angry shouts about them being kids that can’t behave.
Simple solution too this is, 1.Stop be that lone wolf running around then complain.
2. Start too be social and join an Guild.
3. Once you got few friends, you enter BG with your friends and enjoy the teamplay aswel as all others do, its not an one man game its an teamplay effort thats needed, not ment for lone wolfers, thats then Crying on forum that this and that is unfair!!!
If you dont like it theres Always an choice too play something else!!
Not possible for everyone.
I have mine main with no guild since release due of the not existence of guilds that have a schedule like mine.
And probably there is a lot of people like miself that can’t be online at 19 or 20 svt
So form a guild with them, if there’s “a lot” of you.
Otherwise, organized BG PvP might not be for you. Not every part of the game should be availible to every player. That way lies Retail.
Lot of people with different schedules? Yeah sure those work well together, use your brain. Not everyone is able to schedule their time around a game. It’s just queues, it’s not asking for nerfs or to enter dungeon with a press of a button to avoid WPVP.
In case of AB and WSG it’s next to impossible to get rep or wins without a premade. Some people can’t find others with similar schedules to take part in premades, also without proper gear or epic mount, you can’t really get into these premades. Also the class you chose limits your chances of getting in.
What you are basically saying is, that if you are not playing a healer or well geared, you deserve to suffer in bgs and not make any progress. That is absolutely moronic.
Oh my, and yet again here comes the hyperboles… You don’t get as fast progress, but progress was built into the game by design even when losing. Just not as fast.
As for “not enough time”, well, guess what? If you don’t have time to play a game, then it’d be pretty darn stupid to design that game for you. Which, coincidentally, is how retail came to be, which lost millions upon millions of players when they really started turning up the convenience, or as it’s commonly referred to: “designing for casuals”.
Also, there are many people without a lot of time still going places in the game. It’s called raidlogging. It requires so little play time, yet they’re able to gear up like crazy.
As for different schedules, there are people playing this game at all hours of the day. There’s never a single minute where there’s nobody logged in. Even when they do those weekly reboots, people are quick to log back in.
If you can’t find people to play with despite such convenience, then that’s a you-problem. Good luck with that. Crybaby.
Oh it’s you dummy again. Your opinion is known, but I do not care what you think.
40 AB rep in 30-60 mins, truly is progress.