You think it was any faster in Vanilla?
I truly do feel sorry for you, if this is all your mind is capable of. Ignoring counterarguments doesn’t make them go away. Just because you want to regurgitate empty propaganda for the echo chamber but can’t handle actual criticism, it doesn’t mean it’s irrefutable, you know?
Or should I do what you just did and say “Talk to the hand, cuz the face ain’t listenin’!”? So pointless… So stupid…
No, what i’m saying is if you don’t have decent gear or epic mount or you are in a pve spec, you have no business being in BG to begin with, you will just drag down people who do. Or make your own premade, for people people with pve specs and slow mounts and quest greens. Have fun with people of your own effort level.
Edit: it’s just like PvE really, you might do an MC pug that takes 3,5 hours in quest greens and levelling spec, but that’s about as far as you’ll get like that. Just like you don’t go into BWL in subpar gear and spec, and even more so later raids, you don’t go into BG being an anchor on the necks of people who are actually trying. It still baffles me people consider pugging BG’s normal and pugging Naxx insane. It’s the same, BG’s require arguably more effort and coordination.
Premades were always in game. I call your thread “2005 cliche” because premading was possible in 2005. And to complain about something implemented 15 years ago, idk, maybe it’s time to get over it, this is how the game works.
Yet another thread about this? Build your own premade nub
You forgot to imply that maybe people want to play a specifi faction or on a specific server.
This is not retail where i can change server/faction with ease. Not everyone can be willing to reroll again on another server.
The only point probably right is that retail aving more players i have found with ease a guild where I’m currently raiding it since July, but I enjoy playing both and doing only AV (while my focus was instead raiding) it’s getting boring pretty fast
So you have time to spend, but don’t want to spend it all on Classic. Yep, seems like a you-problem indeed. As the person you quoted said, just accept that not all facets of the game is available to everyone. Socializing requires time, and even if you rolled on a server not suitable to you, that’s what the realm transfer option is for.
It’s funny, it’s like there’s a rush of solo players demanding for pvp to become adjusted strictly for solo players’ convenience, when that would have immense ripple effects on the entire social design of the game itself. Unfortunately they already went with retail’s convenience when they copypasted the giant xrealm matchmaking, and they also made servers larger which has also led to a lot of suffering.
But the rest of the game is actually social. It’s designed to be a socially immersive gameplay experience, overall. It’s the total opposite of retail, where they removed consent mechanisms and turned it into choosing which bot(person) you wanna bring, or instantly replace that bot(person) with the next bot(person) if the bot(person) screws up or leaves.
They also removed natural ways for server communities to form, and removed basically the need to talk to other people almost entirely for most parts of the game.
Don’t bring that stupid self-entitled crap over to Classic more than Blizzard already has.
Matter of perspective, for me its acting like an idiot asking for so manny changes.
If this premade stuff not you’re cup of tea, than stop playing.
Manny around the world asked for vanilla with flaws and all, and the minority (yes you are the minority most people ingame playing it) keep asking for stupid changes like this.
Go away
Honestly, these threads are useless. Not because there isn’t a problem with the current state of Classic PVP, there obviously is, but because all of them end up with the elitist pvp premade crowd raining down abuse on the casual player.
YES, premades were a thing in Vanilla. I worked myself to High Warlord on one character and Field Marshall on another back in the day… by pugging. I did not participate in a single premade. You played against the other faction ON YOUR OWN SERVER, which made the pool far smaller and at most there would be 2-3 premades going, mostly only during prime playing hours. I’d be ‘lucky’ to encounter a small handful of premades in any given day and even when fighting those, it was a different time, internet connections, comms, etc. weren’t what they are today, so you still had a fighting chance against a premade as a pug group.
Jump to now. I no longer have the need, desire or time to sink into ranking to rank 14 anymore, but I do enjoy the occasional BG, you know, for this thing called fun… I’ve probably now done roughly 15 AB’s since Wednesday, only 1 of which was NOT against a premade. Is this fun, absolutely not. The first few days the pug groups would still at least try to put up a fight, but now we’ve gotten to the point that people just charge in, die and don’t res again so the game just ends…
This means as of now I am not setting foot in AB or WSG anymore as I don’t play this game to get endlessly farmed by people that are exploiting the system, yes, exploiting, because that is exactly what you are doing and you know it. Steps were taken with AV by Blizzard and hopefully at some point steps will be taken in WSG and AB, but I doubt it’s a priority for them, they have Shadowlands on their mind.
The systems are as they were in Classic, agreed, but back then the systems didn’t pose a problem in this form as they weren’t abused to the extent they are now. I don’t expect to win every game, but a win ratio of 1 in 3 should at least be possible with pugging only, so you step into a BG as a pug player with at least a glimmer of hope of winning the game.
All I can hope for is that the other more casual pvp players follow suite, so your willing victim pool dries up and premade vs premade is all that remains.
I’m horde main on a pve server, I will get rank 14 with ease by spamming av, pvp is not a problem for me and I’m just bored with.
And no I’m not advocating for helping solo players, I’m quite the opposite becouse I hate pugging any kind of content both in retail and classic, and the only raiding/dungeons/pvp content I do, I do it only with mine guild members or the people in the communities I’m in with some character like gallywiks
I have just said that many players would like to join guilds or premades (and I do understand their frustration) but we are unable to do it due of groups having the same schedule and classic having a lower population compared to retail , making it harder for people to find others to group if you have an actual job.
Can you tell the server?
The premade situation was not like that back in 2006. Sure there were many premades, not all of which even had comms but as a casual player, I always preferred pugs and most of the time, we got matched vs other pugs. That’s just one of the things that are different (for the worse IMO).
What can be done about this? Not much I’m afraid. At least not without deviating too much from the original recipe.
I myself would enjoy the pug vs pug enforcement as I like casual gaming but it’s unrealistic and far too big a change to justify.
When it comes to classic WoW in general, we must all come to terms with the fact that that it is impossible to have the original game AND the original experience at the same time. Gaming has changed and time travel is impossible.
It sucks but it’s true. I only hope some of the upcoming MMOs finally live up to at least some of their hype so I can abandon this old game that is falling apart, taking even the good memories I have with it
Any of the 4 is the same, probably Mirage is the harder one due of horde pop being slightly higher.
was looking forward to play AB but there’s no point to play… just get smashed by premades…
im not interested in doing a premade myself, i just pvp for casual fun
They defend it because they directly benefit from it. They like getting paired with pugs match ups that can defeat in 8 minutes for easy honor and rep. It’s not a real discussion that the current system is unfair and is driving away casual players.
Thanks for all the inputs you guys been adding. Appreciate the support and cheers to the haters.
It’s not hard to understand what im suggesting here, i don’t wanna punish nobody, i really wish premade players could play good matches and enjoy it alot more, while being accordingly rewarded (yes buff rewards to them, less game but better games). While solo players could enjoy their playtime on content that actually entertains, without getting matched against consolidated experienced teams, only teams that were formed the same way as theirs. THATS EQUALITY, thats not punishing anyone for how they are and their perspectives of the game.
lets suppose the queue time increases dramatically, it’s easy to balance, just offer more rewards to those who chose that way. Its just a different mindset… you wanna play great matches instead of 8min retarded matches that mean nothing.
and as i said earlier, this can’t hurt the game if done properly.
its a simple quality of life improvement for everyone, i dont get what you guys are so scared of if you’re so good, well informed and can beat every other team anyways.
It’s 2020, stop getting scared of ideas that evoke equality.
Losing privileges you shouldn’t have isnt getting punished.
I totally agree with you man.It seems some people play wow classic without really like it thats why their comments are whatever/trolling stuff.Also some opinions feel like they are related to blizzard workers like friends/family and try to prevent the basic logic of fixing some matchmaking calculations.To me this premade vs pug atm is like i play league of legends so rigged it is.
yep, exactly, rather stay on real life or dota/lol right? where it’s already insanely broken and unfair
It’s not even a casual v hardcore debate. I’m not casual, I raid and play with alot of my free time due to enjoying playing, I joined av premades but it was boring and it wasn’t fun, I didn’t like the fact we rolled over non premades, it isn’t fair, I burnt out and stopped at rank 8 cause it was Boring. There are plenty of semi hardcore players that just want solo queue and have fun, loads ranking to 10 solo queue. Loads playing for rep, no point saying if not hardcore then can’t gain rep or honor, this wasn’t how it was or how it should be, if people want to premade then make them play vs premades, ofc they won’t be happy cause they will have to actually play good
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Gotta love those double negatives.