weekend events already place a band aid, due of premade queing for the bg that will reward more honor.
This week is uncertain due of the release of Ab and having even on WSG, i say next weekend (if i remember correctly its Ab) for sure one of the 2 will have no premade queing in it at all
But i thought cLaSsIc is about social with others why not make friends and join discord to talk eachother? Why so retail?
one thing doesnt exclude the other dude, r you a damn square?
U no classic spirit, shame on you!
Hello troller
The difference between now vs vanilla is that more people play efficiently now. The statistics have pretty much reversed now, back then there was probably 1/10 people that played efficiently, now there’s 1/10 that dont.
Vanilla PVP is about farming honor for ranking, not about personal skill. Premading is the most efficient honor, and that’s what people want. The people playing efficiently for their R12+ gear want to get that done as soon as they can, so they can go back to not having to grind battlegrounds for 14 hours a day.
It doesn’t matter about what’s “fair” and what isn’t. This is Classic, plain and simple. If you want a game that caters to “fair” and holds your hand whilst you cross the road, play retail.
If you want a game where the playerbase can become either your allies or your obsticles, play Classic.
another square
Do I even want to know what you’re talking about?
He’s calling you a Square
Basically anyone who disagrees is insulted.
I can understand their annoyance but personally I’m fine with keeping the game how it is. If you want to play solo pvp then AV is there.
It’s because he can’t think of a way to defend his own argument without just repeating the things he’s already mentioned. So he’s not even attempting to refute counterarguments, and instead resorts to the level better suited for his (lack of) intellect.
Oh, one of those people.
There’s also world PVP, I find that to be a great way of enjoying some solo play.
People just have to accept that this is an old game and just because people play it differently to the old meta doesn’t mean we should alter the game to suit modern players.
If people want to just play WSG for the fun of it, they’d be better off just waiting a few more months when most people have gotten their High Warlord or Grand Marshal, when there’s a lot less people hardcore honor grinding.
Premades should only be matched vs Premades, let them wait for hours at end if need be, cause it is basically like using cheats at this point , all those who say “nah we like it that way” just want easy wins with no challenge.
Currently the majority of matches is like this :
You Que in AB, you get to be (99% of the times ) vs a premade, game starts, premade (many of them with ~8 warriors , and paladin healers) gets 5 bases and is farming you at base grave yard (of course I do have screenshots of such occurrences)
The game ends within mere minutes 2000/0 - 2000/50.
So the people that like this
just want 0 challenge and easy wins , like playing DOOM using IDDQD.
claim things like “this is classic” acting like absolutely NO changes have been made from the vanilla wow (that is a lie and hypocritical)
are telling others to do the same , and form premades , neglecting the fact that there are premades and non premades, and 0 reason why premades should go against non premades , some people form groups (and yeah good for them) to PvP, and others do not , why not match premade with premade and pug with pug only (or at least for the vast majority of times ) ? I really can not think of any reason why anyone would think this is fine other than them wanting easy wins with 0 challenge.
IMO : pugs should be vs pugs (at least 90% of the time ) and not vs premades so those who want to basically do what is the equivalent of cheating can not , they get to play premade vs premade, let them wait as long as it takes to be against one.
I literally just said I either solo queue or queue in a duo/trio.
I premade once a month if that, and even then we get stomped by good premades because it’s just a mish mash of people from my guild. Some of them are in pve spec, some of them are just going for the lols, we don’t even take it that seriously.
I don’t get this mentality, if you group up to play pvp you’re cheating…
So let’s swing it another way, if you group up to do raids, you’re cheating?
No of course not. Use the tools provided to make your experience better, that’s how blizzard made the game. It isn’t as hard as you think to make your own group and give it a go. You won’t understand til you try it!
The more premades there are, the fairer games will be as there will be more “low quality” premades that are basically co-ordinated pugs that encourage just playing for fun, meaning better quality games.
I just don’t think you guys understand if they changed this, it wouldn’t change at all or just make the issue worse. If 5 man parties were still allowed to queue, the people stomping you before would still stomp you because they’d still be using the same (or dirtier) tactics in WSG to win.
I also can see it calming down in the future once the main majority of people are done with ranking. Some premades will still play all the way through classic to keep their top ranks, but they are the minority and would have still been around back in vanilla.
Like I said, I can sympathise. Being stomped isn’t fun and honestly I don’t enjoy it and it’s made me annoyed many times. But then I just try again the next day and savour the wins I do have 
Also it feels great to beat a premade!
have you seen how much i’ve been insulted for making a suggestion ?
act like crap, be treated like crap
You’ve been insulted by less than you’ve insulted.
You came here and made a suggestion that suits YOU. You haven’t put any consideration into how this suggestion would altar classic or it’s player base. You’ve just assumed that premaders will suddenly roll over and say “my rank 14 can wait, wouldn’t want to make the game harder for Operations!”
When something is done to tackle premading, the people premading for honor will simply find a new efficient way of farming honor. AV Premading was nerfed? They move on to WSG.
Life lesson, adapt to the world around you instead of demanding that the world adapt to you.
I don’t disagree that people have been rude to you. But I’m sorry to say you did it first by calling people kids for having a different opinion. I can agree with you, some people on this forum are very aggravating and provocative with their choice of words, toeing the line between friendly discussion and arrogant swagger, just try not to sink to their level and allow them to have their opinion and maybe think on some of the points they have. You need to accept this is a public forum and people WILL disagree with you rude or not.
I understand your frustrations honestly, it can’t be fun to be on the stomping side either if you’re a decent person who just wants fun games, I certainly wouldn’t enjoy it myself (it’s not like my premade is any good so I don’t experience it personally hehe).
Unfortunately the people who put a lot of effort into premades do so to make the best honor per hour, even if you made it premade vs premade, they wouldn’t queue it anymore and they would instead flood the “pug vs pug” or try to find some way of abusing something so they can stomp in there instead with full consumes, and instead of them ruining one game they would be ruining two at once.
It’s a difficult situation and it’s why I’ve been encouraging players similar to me (casuals and people who just want to have a laugh) to make their own groups. The more groups there are of casual players, the more likely more people will group up and the better the matches will be with some tryhard groups in between.
Whilst I’d love to make it fair for everyone, there isn’t an easy solution without slashing a core component of this game which it was praised for which was nurturing friendships and working together in groups. Group pvp was one of those factors that a lot of my friends who played vanilla look upon fondly.
Suggestions are made ingame not on the EU forums. There is no forum on the US side either for suggestions. In other words, suggestion threads should not be made.
That’s a rather strict interpretation. It’s true that the channel they’ve created for receiving suggestions is via the in-game tool, but the forum is a place for discussing many things, including possible suggestions, with other players.
However, to confuse the forum for a direct channel to Blizzard and shoo away anyone who brings up counterarguments is clearly a huge misunderstanding of what the forum is meant for.
Naturally horde is better in pugs. Because alliance cant use faction’ strong pvp aspects in unorganized pvp. Such as fear ward, paladin blessings etc. Horde is stronger by their own thanks to racials.
So if they separate pug and premade, all horde goes pug and all ally tries to go premade for better honor per hour. In long run queue times will be enormous for both side.
Btw, do you really think this is a new suggestion and Blizzard never think about it in a 15 years old game?
It’s meant for discussion but the OP specifically said it’s for suggestions, and it isn’t.
See?