No, I didn’t. I said you said I was making something up. I then linked you the post where you said that it.
That isn’t lying. I don’t know what world you live in, but in my world; saying “or are you making it up” is accusing somebody of making something up.
Yes you linked a post where i didnt say the things you said that i did, and in that post nothing was said that you made up that i said.
when i pointed it out, you still couldnt handle your own mistakes and kept on saying that i said that.
you obviously interpret words that i never said to your own liking instead of linking precisely what i said, but no you made up your own version of what i said, and that was 180% degree of what i actually said, that is a lie.
I said ‘link or did you make that up?’ that is nothing close to what you claim i said.
that is me asking for proof, not me saying it was not true.
I said “I sent Burton that thread after he accused me of making something up”
You said “I never said that”
I quoted you saying “Or are you making that up?”
That is exactly what I claimed you said. It isn’t my fault if YOUR words don’t match your intention.
If you say “Are you making that up” it doesn’t matter if you’re trying to be friendly, the bottom line is that you’re accusing somebody of making something up.
Then that’s your fault for saying “Are you making that up” instead of anything along the lines of “sauce please”.
You bring nothing to the discussion yourself, you bring alot of hostility with you when someone dont agree with your view, simply put you cant handle debating, all you do when you have nothing to add is, micro insults no debate just trying to annoy the other person debating you, so you can look good.
I dont know what you are trying to say here except making an exceuse for what you actually said.
you specifically said not word for word, but 100% the same meaning, not going to find the post right now, but if you deny it, i will. ‘Burton said i made it up and it never happened on private servers’
and in the post you linked me ‘saying it in’ was 'link or did you make that up ?, that is obviously not what i actually said in the post you made, never said that you made it up, i did not believe you so i asked for proof, but you must have a hard time understanding what i actually said when you keep this up.
that is how this all started.
You cliamed i said that ‘you made it up and it never happened’ precisely like that, and that is false, i dont know how you cant see that, i never said it.
that is me asking for source ‘link it…’
when you claim what someone else says, eitehr make damn sure you are 100% correct or dont say it, link a post instead, you making up your own version is terribly bad when you have no idea of what was said.
Hardly. I’ve told you what the results of changes are. You said “I dont think”. I’ve told you why things will end the way the will because of the mindset of the playerbase, you said “I dont think”.
“I dont think” is not a debate.
Micro insults like the implication that somebody is making something up?
Look, you can sit in your little bubble and pretend your intentions were different, but I know your kind. I’m very familiar with people that want to give the illusion that they have the moral high ground.
Perhaps then, one might want to try reading?
Find it then. I did you the curtousy of wasting my time finding previous things that you’ve said, do me the same.
No Burton, that’s exactly what you said. It might not be what you meant, but it’s what you said.
You said “or are you making that up”.
That is an accusation. It doesn’t matter what world you live in, it doesn’t matter what language you speak. That is an accusation, plain and simple.
Then your wording is wrong, isn’t it?
It was.
I still think premade should only meet premades, the link you provided to forum posts on the private server, most people in that thread wanted the same, so premade stomping pugs must be really bad on private servers too, so nothing new there
premades meeting premades and not pug’s is the best way as things are now.
I asked for proof when i didnt believe you, i didnt say you made it up, i thought you did so what ?, when i dont say that you did make it up only asking for proof, that is not a micro insult, if someone ask me for proof because they dont believe it i dont find that insulting, i will jsut provide proof for it, if i have any.
It looked like you you were trying to prove that you was right in claiming that i said you made it up, and i followed that up with how you made up what i said, but that is not something you like to look at because it shows that i am right.
no problem, i love to find it and link yours and my post again… didnt think you wanted that here since it so easy to read.
and this is the ‘proof’ you linked to what i was saying…
I already told you what i meant by it, you believing something else is all in your head, and that is why this happened, dont put words in other peoples mouth when they never said it.
As i said i did not believe you, you do know its allowed not to believe without proof ??, it is also not a bad thing, it does not give you the right to make up your own version which is even 100% not what i said.
Why ? asking for link asking if you made it up?, is me asking for some sort of proof or i would have said you made it up as you claim i said.
Its on black and white and no it was not.
That thread clearly showed the selfishness of the anti-premade community. It showed that you’d rather people have to compete with bots and leechers than for you guys to just join a premade and play properly.
It showed the aftermath of the situation and that your crowd still said “Doesn’t matter if the world burns, i dont get picked on by mean old premades”. It also shows that most of you don’t know how the ranking system works.
You used the words “or are you making it up”. That isn’t asking for proof, that’s an accusation.
You made an accusation about me and my character whilst trying to retain the “i never insulted you” routine.
Accusing me of making something up is much more insulting than me calling somebody an idiot.
So you didn’t say “or are you making that up”?
What I “want” isn’t relevant to this discussion.
What you’ve just linked proves me right.
Seriously, in what world is “or are you making that up” not an accusation? You even said so yourself in THIS post!
See.
It doesn’t matter if you didn’t believe me. I wouldn’t believe the words of some randomer on the internet either. That isn’t the underlining point.
The thing you quoted me saying:
Is accurate. You said I was making it up. Plain and simple, clear as day.
It doesn’t matter if you meant that as an insult. At the time, I didn’t take offense to the comment.
What’s pissed me off now is your blatent denial whilst simutaenously providing proof of what you said. If you didn’t mean those words as an insult, then whatever, I forgive you.
But don’t say you didn’t say them, pretending that your words meant something different to what they are is just plain old naive.
Don’t you guys ever get tired of going in circles? 
Stop crying, regarding pvp, things are best as they are now. Cant deal with the queue system? Stop playing bgs.
Very.
That’s why I usually stop responding to him.
Somewhat harsh to call it selfishness when they just want to play vs players of same standard, you really think that is selfish?..
as a pugger i would rather face 100000000000 bots than premades, but bots should be banned by blizzard, pug’s facing premades is a bigger problems for solo players, and if premade teams want pugs to make teams, then they really shouldnt have a problem not meeting pug’s as the result would be the same, namely premades vs premades no pugs at all… same result.
It showed that premade teams vs pugs sucked… according to many forum posts, and that is not because they are selfish, its because it sux.
You didnt quote everything i said in that same line, but you also left out the ‘?’ as well, is it because it shows all of what i said
Yes i thought you made it up so i asked for proof, why do you think that is bad asking for proof ?
Yes very clear, as it is not what i said
You only provided proof that i never said what you claimed i said, i cant fathom how you see this as me saying that.
How can you say that? i never said it, i really dont get it… i never ever said it.
this is what happens when you interpret what someone else says and get it wrong.
besides that, we dont share the same view on premades in classic, please never claim i said anything i never said again, rather you link the post and not make up your own version.
Would have been best not responding to me with a ‘things never change do they burton?
you still think wrong.’
what kind of a reply is that to me ?? not trying to say anything intelligent of premades, just a ‘you still think wrong’ how dare you ?
Yes. It’s very damn selfish to want to turn an entire game and project on it’s head just because you don’t want to join a premade.
Adapt to the game, expecting it to cater to you is plain old selfish.
Don’t be a solo player then. Problem solved.
This game wasn’t made for solo players. It’s an MMORPG, it’s supposed to be played with other people. One of the gripes a lot of Classic players have with retail is that it doesn’t cater to teamwork and lets you live in your own little bubble.
Seperate queues is a step towards that bubble.
If premades vs pugs sucks, stop pugging. Join a premade. Play the same game as everybody else instead of demanding that they play your game.
You’re an adult, you can’t join a game and then cry to your teachers about the other kids not playing the way you want. It doesn’t matter if the game isn’t inclusive for YOU, if it isn’t, you should be playing a different game.
The question mark makes no difference. An question is still an accusation.
This is exactly why people stop talking to you.
Oh no, that was a question and not an insult!
…Yeah, see how annoying that is?
And yes, you do still think wrong. Your mindset is wrong. Watch:
This is why you think wrong:
Competing with bots isn’t “playing against” bots in battlegrounds. It means that the people farming honor to gain the top ranks would have to farm EVEN more honor just to keep up with the amount of honor that a bot could leech.
Do you know how the honor system works?
Your rank is based on how much honor you farmed compared to everybody else on your faction and your server. Most high-end rankers communicate with one another and set a “honor cap”, so that they can just farm honor for 5 days a week instead of 7. I assume you’ve noticed that there’s usually less hardcore premade activity on Mondays and Tuesdays?
Bots don’t care about people’s caps, they just do what they want. They may get banned eventually, but the damage is still done by then.
Sorry but its not an accusation to ask for proof when i do not believe you.
We dont share the same view on premades, and just up the honor in premades and ban bots when they can, better solution than this mess.
one more time… dont claim i said something i never said, if you cant comprehend it, thats just too bad and just makes it even more important that you refrain from that because all that happens is this here…
you are not a mind reader, so read what precisely is said, not your own interpretation of it.
Edit:
Again something you made up out of thin air, no one stopped talking to me, not even you, since you just had to make a remark of what i said in a post.
The best thing you can currently do is just avoid pugging in bgs wed-sat. Most serious server premades usually cap by that point. Sun onwards is generally not too bad.
Saying “or are you making that up as you go along” is an accusation and not a request of proof.
No. Upping honor for premades whilst seperating the queue means that only the top end of premades can farm honor, the bottom end would be forced to join solo queue.
Which means that the bottom end of premades, the casual players, wouldn’t be able to play with friends. Also, have you seen Blizzard’s bot banning track record?
You’re basically asking for more and more changes to try and justify the change that you want. The best change is simple: YOU change, not the game.
You did say it, it’s right in front of you. You even quoted it several times yourself. You dropped such a heavy implication and then denied you said anything.
…Stopping talking to you isn’t the same as never talking to you again.
English isn’t your mother tongue, is it?
Read that Burton. It’s purely logical advice and it’s a shame that posts like this one will get drowned out under your sea of “i didn’t say that!”.
it is me asking for proof… sorry if you cant see that.
I said exactly what the quote i searched for you and the quote you said about it as well… it shows everything, anyone can read it.
1 more micro insult with the english…
and why do you even post that is why people dont talk to you anymore, when its not true and then trying to turn it into not the same as saying this… its amazing how you keep avoiding the facts.
i already read it, i still have the same opinion about premades, nothing wrong with that post.
And the sea of all your ‘i did say that’ and then you link a post where i didnt say that…
why dont you accept that i never said it ? what you think i meant is all on you.
Then you’re either naive, or you’re playing dumb to give off the illusion of moral superiority.
Or you just simply don’t grasp English.
Then why do you continue to deny the accusation of making something up?
A micro insult that’s worse than anything I’ve ever directly said. Indirect insults are worse than firest ones, because then you sit in your little bubble pretending you didn’t say anything.
Shrodinger’s Douchebag, as we call it.
I’m not the only person on this board that’s stopped responding to you. That’s why.
Do you know what fact means?
Diabow’s post was 100% correct and would yield much better results for you than crying to me would.
You could end said sea by accepting that what you said was an accusation, whether you intended for it to be or not.
Because you’ve posted the quote several times over showing that you did.
Remember Burtyboy, this argument started because of you; both times. Both times you said “lol no i not say that” and then you posted the quote clearly showing that you did.
You dont grasp english if you dont understand that is asking for proof.
but you keep to your standards… more small insults… good for you.
I never say ‘lol’ in any posts… and the quotes do indeed show everything.
No, it isn’t. By adding “are you making that up”, you’re accusing me of making something up. Do you know what the word “implication” means?
That’s actually not an insult. It’s pretty apparent that English isn’t your mother tongue. Normally that isn’t something that I’d comment on; but in this case it really is playing a huge role in your inability to understand what you’ve said.
What I said wasn’t a direct quote, it was an imitation; a mockery.