To add to this very rich discussion, I would also like a Blizzard employe to shake my chair and scream into my mic as I raid, as we all know normal organized and calm raiding is cheating and for noobs. Go back to retail if you want to min/max sitting.
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https://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/66090-with-xrealm-bgs-why-are-pugs-still-vs-teams/
āThe next planned content patch will contain a matching system for the battlegrounds that will attempt to pair up groups based on various factors, including organization. We fully expect it to help in the majority of games, but your opposition is not always guaranteed. I do think with the changes to the honor system the entire process will become a bit less stressful as far as winning/losing and the factors that contribute.ā
What does what you just said have to do with anything?
Its just horrible, that they cave in to every little crying snowflake. I mean, theyĀ“ll never stop complain. Next up are complaints against more geared pugs in bgs. Just quit classic wow you damn whiners.
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can some 1 explain me 1 thing you ppl saying āno changesā so premade vs premade is no go? what about layers and other things they changed im mean what the hell rly? you will give us cnO ChaNgEs crap with so many of them !? where are you coming from
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We are also saying no changes to layers
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I read this and I donāt understand why those items are Bis. In vanilla was not like thatā¦ Than I do a research and I find that Blizzard take the last version of every items stats.
So, in vanilla the pvp items was never BiS before the raid come out. In classic the pvp items are BiS because of a CHANGE.
So, you scream nochange to a problem that is happening because of a change? Are you serius? Patheticā¦.
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Most people who enjoy vanilla in 2020 never played vanilla back then.They only judging because they had the chance to play in a private server.
I wonder same thing
It depends entirely on which version of Vanilla you were playing. The items are no longer BiS the moment we get AQ.
Yes, Iām dead serious. If we didnāt have the change to begin with, we wouldnāt have the problem, would we?
A lot of the problems we have with Classic were BECAUSE of changes. Got a problem with layering? Thatās because Blizzard changed the server caps.
Pathetic, indeed.
Simple. Youāre trying to use changes (that shouldnāt have happened anyway) to justify more changes. This is the slippery slope we were talking about when this board was created a couple of years ago.
The thread he linked is from 2006, it doesnāt apply to Classic.
Recalling that far back, i must have started properly pvping between phase 3 and 4. And i donāt remember premading being an issue all the way up to the change in the honour system.
Not to this level.
The copious times players spend ghosting, was that part of the original designers philosophy? Was it not to make a game where people can play? Players regularly ghosting becuase getting GY camped and killed on such a mass and repeated scale is anthetical to play.
Then you have the multitude of changes which have deviated WoW Classic from Original WoW 15 years ago. Server layering, cross Realm BGās, altering BG queue systems, adjusting honor gains etc. These were never in original WoW, and i can see why they were implemented in todays WoW.
Which is why i say lets test it. Put it on the test realms, get some beta testers to thrash it out and see what happens. Iād rather see it tried and tested than do nothingā¦
Iāve spoken about possible side effects in other posts. Such as the risk of discord servers getting set up to create cross realm premades but queueing up as solos so that they can still co-ordinate to dominate casuals/puggers etc
I donāt think iāve claimed others views as being unjustifable. I can see that we requested for WoW Classic and we got something which is very close, despite the many changes it has already seen.
I agree that the honour ranking systems faults are highlighted at such a huge extent when you now have this min/maxing culture that has permeated so much since those early days.
Iāve heard the āyou need to waitā from others too. When the Honor ranking system was released we had people there saying ājust wait a few monthsā, 'just wait till phase 3/4/5/6/TBC etc. Thing is this isnāt a solution either, itās a ākick the problem down the roadā.
I suspect nothing will get done judging by the regular radio silence we get from Blizz/Activision. People complaining about bot infestations and still nothing to little-to-nothing gets done. Which is really sad to see that a company which has made a game which has had such an impression on many peoples lives that even after a decade and a half still play for hours and hours, to show so little care or even acknowledgement on something their community is discussing with passion.
Anyway, am off to get camped at a GY as we are all gluttons for punishment! 
One thing i want to understand is people here who are defending the premades dont want the changes because that will mess up with their min/max they currently are doing and are getting away with or do they actually believe that there shouldnt be changes?
Because since they cant beat AV anymore this is the best you guys can get so if youi fight other premades you basically are getting in the same boat with us, but you dont want to.
Iām against changes because changes defeat the entire point of even creating Classic, not because I want to premade against pugs.
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Do you realize how many thousands would quit if pre mades are not allowed? The game would pretty much die out ā¦
I prefer they quit instead of exploiting this and ruining it for others, plus there are alot who quit the game because they are into pvp only but cant actually do it cause of the premades. so its a double edges sword in this case
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Here is a challenge for you. Show me one post on this forum that defend premades per se.
That miylee guy, he defends them in eacch of his posts
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False. I donāt care for premades, Iām opposed to changes.
Try actually reading what āthat Miylee guyā says.
Opposing change in this case which is the premade means defending it.
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No, it isnāt.
Iām opposed to changes because I know what will happen if we get a seperate queue and frankly; Iād rather just deal with premades than face that consequence.