PTR Spoiler/Discussion Thread (Part 1)

I feel that way too. I stopped being invested in Blizzard’s official story in BfA, but still saw Azeroth as a fertile ground for RP. Then SL killed my remaining interest in one of my favorite fantasy settings that I grew up with.

As for the cinematic? Even if we charitably assume that this was Danuser’s intended direction for Sylvanas’s story since at least Teldrassil, it means he massively blundered the execution. More likely, though, it’s his way of trying to write himself out of the very small corner he wrote himself into by retconning character motivations and then retconning the retcons.

By themselves, the “fractured soul” and “it wasn’t really me” storytelling devices are valid. Since The Order of the Stick was mentioned in this thread, let’s remember its more recent story arc…

Massive OOTS spoilers

We know from the start that Vampire Durkon is of Evil alignment, but then for the remainder of the Empire of Blood arc, the story tricks us into believing it’s still him. We saw him reconnect with the Order and try to work with his vampire condition being a hindrance to his team…

And then the story dropped the revelation that he was not Durkon at all, but rather an ex nihilo spirit occupying his body and impersonating the real Durkon and holding his soul prisoner, helpless to act. Most importantly, this was revealed to us (but not to the Order) before the vampire committed any atrocities. We saw the tragedy of the Order not seeing through the ruse before it was too late; and after that, his actions towards Hel’s plan fueled our desire to see the vampire destroyed and Durkon’s soul freed.

I mean, Hel wasn’t a particularly deeper villain than the Jailer. She wasn’t quite on the level of Redcloak, Tarquin or Malack. But that was fine because the story wasn’t about her — it was a story about Durkon, his introspection, and finding his agency, told through the lens of a stranger, the vampire, sifting through Durkon’s memories and inadvertently helping him find the agency he was lacking all his life — and thus causing the vampire’s undoing.

Now imagine what a hollow story it would have been if for the whole arc, the revelation that the vampire wasn’t Durkon was withheld from us, if we never saw these dialogues inside Durkon’s mind, and were puzzled just why our pious dwarf cleric of Thor was willingly going with Hel’s plan — and then only after the vampire was destroyed, we’d see the “haha, it wasn’t him” revelation and maybe saw some of those conversations, but only as a flashback.

Bottom line is: if you want to do an “alien soul driving the body” story, fine. But tell it right from the start, rather than in a way that feels like a cheap cop-out.

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The lesson here is that if you’re ever flung into the highest court at the UN for crimes against humanity, pull the ole

“Ooo aaaahh I feel my soul returning to me…I was good all along actually!”

And they’ll have no choice but to let you walk. The Sylvanas gambit, as they call it.

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I didn’t know they were making cinematic in Fortnite now.

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Hey if it’s a good enough platform for Palpatine to announce his comeback to the galaxy

Seems a bit weird to me that the souls inside Frostmourne (Uther, Sylvanas) were more emotionally adapted and healthy than the souls outside of Frostmourne (Uther, Sylvanas).

You’d think being stuck in the torture sword wouldn’t be great.

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this cinematic is turbo average. bland and lazy. stop pretending it is anything else than that i know it is hard to grasp how bad this expansion is but come on

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Which there won’t be because she helped save Anduin and fight the jailer thus she is instantly forgiven by 1 good deed, after so many atrocities. At most she will keep on saying she has to do X or Y to fix Sylvanas the Banshee-Queens atrocities, but the rest of the main cast would have forgiven her right away.

And Tyrande will totally understand her not having been able to do it, since Elune mind-controlled her aswell.

(Also what will this soul split mean for the other Dark Rangers and Wardens? Means their souls are split aswell, right? Shouldn’t we have to fix that?)

I’m just still in that passenger cabin, stoically sipping tea while cranking up the volume to drown out the screeching machinery.

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Important to remember that we’ve already seen that (Nu)Sylvanas evidently survives the Jailer, via the ‘SFA’ scene

https://twitter.com/Stiven_SRB/status/1463291434933624835?s=20

Since it includes Anduin, and speculation is that ‘SFA’ stands for ‘Sylvanas Faces Arbiter’, we can presume that it’s post-raid. No heroic sacrifice or sudden Mythic-phase betrayal here.

The only question as to her fate then is what will Pelagos-Arbiter decide. And let me tell you, I’m getting some serious Garrosh-WarCrimes “Live so she can learn” vibes.

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Well, that looks and sounds like :poop:

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The more I rewatch the cinematic, the more I’m convinced the Banshee Queen is dead and gone. Those final seconds where we see Uther and her from above, is tonally a retread of Vol’jin’s death. Moreso than it not being incidental, I think it genuinely is meant to signify the death of the Dark Lady.

Of course she gets a rebirth snuck in there, but that’s plot armour for you.

Yeah I’m not a fan of the redesign. Not that they could ever replace the Helm of Domination with something equally poignant in my eyes.

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Because the HotS game is in maintenance mode and they put those people to work animating whatever this is.

Cargo cult game design.

the crown of domination turned into a crown of letting go

:eyes:

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wait so there is an outrage about succubus sexualization of women and now they do this?

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no, you just made that up

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The Sylvanas writing wouldn’t be nearly as infuriating(though still really really bad honestly) if they(specifically Danuser here) wasn’t so pleased with themselves over it. Atleast admit it’s bad?

Also imagine doing some of the worst writing ever and wrecking up the lore/history of a franchise going back decades just so you can write a sloppy saga about how a character you have a crush on can get a “get out of jail” free card.

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how could I have if there were threads about it on general(trash) discussions

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easily, you just invent thoughts

Most of the GD threads were made from troll accounts/bad faith posters trying to be funny and joke about “muh SJWs”