PTR Spoiler/Discussion Thread (Part 2)

That just means they’re even more effective death soldiers! They could sneak into an area as a single walking stone leg!

The answer to that is to create a race-agnostic set of default druid forms and refuse to work on any race-specific druid forms from that point onward.

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They literally have these, they’re the 10.2 Druid forms we got! Which makes it even MORE confusing!!!

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…already exists! It debuted in 10.2.

That would be how I would do it (and 10.2 would be the perfect time lorewise to do it), but I imagine people would be disappointed.

Edit: Ninja’d by Meronspell!

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If you don’t want to say anything, then also just don’t post. Your first reply was you being confused. You were repeatedly saying that I missed the point and did nothing to clarify your point. I answered your question about what I meant with ‘both’ in the very first reply to you. You continued to insinuate that the Lor’themar and Thalyssra’s wedding was meant to be the bridge for timeskip.

My entire problem has been your assertion that we do not need character-driven stories for WoW. I disagree with it wholeheartedly. At this point (or rather, from the getgo) you’re just being obtuse now.

To tell a good story you need to have worldbuilding and characters. I don’t know how you can’t understand this. Players fell in love with the world of Azeroth because the characters were shallow. Guess who players did fall in love with? Arthas. Guess why.

:person_shrugging:

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And yet, after years of character-driven stories and of Christie Golden being in Blizzard, people complain about the characters and still seem to like the world much more.
I guess she has failed then.

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Good grief, can ya’ll get a room, please? :roll_eyes:

Almost like one person alone can’t do everything and the story devs often being overridden by other devs, iirc even that was mentioned in this thread how Golden’s own characterisations have been ignored through in-game representations being different.

But again, I never made an argument for the quality. Golden has written good stories though, so idk - I suppose it’s subjective. Elegy was a great short story. A lot of the character-driven stories in Dragonflight (even Shadowlands) had positive feedback from a lot of players. It also had a lot of negative feedback from players who overall did not really care about the story and just wanted to see HIGH OCTANE GUTS AND GLORY, NO TIME FOR EMOTIONS RAAGH type stuff.

The Venn diagram of those players and players who cry about WoW going woke and the like is a circle, so I don’t really care too much about what they think anyway. Sorry not sorry, I guess? I found the character-driven stories from the recent years to mostly have been well done, and I don’t want WoW to return to empty shallow characters again.

Of course people would be disappointed. After years of building different druidic traditions with different forms and approaches to the idea compiling it all into a single mess of half-wood cats, furred dinosaurs and other stuff would completely diminish the importance of RPing different kinds of druids. Just like it’s with Tyr’s Guard now or the whole of the Legion Order halls.

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Remember guys, you’re not picking a unique magic, just different colors that can technically do the same stuff with enough… Will.

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I didn’t know Golden being fired was datamined from the PTR.

Wild.

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On the topic of races healing, you missed the tauren working with the centaur and Baine’s view changing on the ones in the Plains.

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It was, and it had a lot of good Quel’Thalas worldbuilding. It fleshed out Jailer’s motivations, fixing just about all plot holes people complained about, showed insight into Sylvanas’s life and the decisions she made through her POV, and gave us high/blood elf lore.

Biggest problem with the book is the timing of its release. At that point in the expansion, people just didn’t largely care anymore.

And no, the book did not retcon blood elf hair colours. Whoever made up that rumour never touched the book.

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So… Yet More stuff that should have been in game, then :sweat_smile: Imagine, game lore…in game!

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Vast majority of it was already in game.

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:eye::biting_lip::eye:

This yeah. I don’t know what happened in that book, what did it flesh out etc, so it might as well not exist.

I have said this a million times before and I will say it again.

A poor craftsman blames his tools.

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Same way with Worgen Death Knights.

Probably risen Ulduar Earthen who could only be risen with the power of the Lich King.

If almost fully mechanized Gnomes can become Death Knights, then it sure can happen to Earthen who act and appear more mortal then Mechanized Gnomes!

Druidism isn’t forced upon anyone, and as per that one Dragon Book, Nature stands against the Order Aman’thul wishes to see happen.(Thats why het got mad with Freya for planting the Mother Mother Tree)

Currently I just wish I was able to choose the Kul Tiran Druidforms as a Night Elf, because then I can RP an Darkfallen Night Elf Druid with Undeath animalforms!

I feel like I should know more about this?

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When the book came out, people got up in arms about how it allegedly retconned high elf hair colours so that they can “only” be white haired.

The scene they misquote is about Vor’athil standing out in a crowd of blonde elves with his black hair. That’s it. The books makes no other commentary about his black hair being rare, or that only blonde elves are the norm. In one single scene, Vor’athil stood out in a crowd.

We have other references in the books to elves having all the natural hair colours they have in-game, but the people doomposting about another Goldenism at the time conveniently left out that part.

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Isn’t this one of those dreadlords

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But seeing we can’t play Earthen Dwarves till many months into the expansion, does that mean from a story perspective these E-Dwarves are still mind controlled and not under Bolvar’s influence?

Or is this like that Legion quest where DK’s did an oopsie killing all red dragons. But this time DK’s did an oopsie killing E-Dwarves at the start of the expansion ‘believing’ them to be bad guys. Then later resurrect them as Death Knights because why not.