PTR Spoiler/Discussion Thread (Part 2)

Now let us transmog armor of non-primary types, please :frowning:

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Only Cosmetic armour from now on would be amazing.

‘Class Silhoutte’ is and has been a damn lie for years now, put it in the ground where it belongs.

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I still can’t grasp how Forsaken are suddenly doing a 180 and gained empathy and guilt. Maybe, but that’s my Grand Apothecary Putress fanboy in me talking, that Forsaken are just scheming to play the other factions while brewing up another grand plague to wipe out all living.

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The forsaken are a difficult topic. Im not going to touch what “could have been” because well, it hasn’t been. So it is what it is. Anyway!

I also wanted to say - I wanted to talk about it in another thread but it was mentioned before here, so I will give my input aswell.

I am not so sure that novels like Golden’s Arthas were a win in terms of characterization. I read it a while ago but I remember thinking she failed to translate the Arthas from WC3 into her book.

Back in Warcraft 3, we see him being a man of short sentences, cutting, and full of anger. All this anger, all this fury. Does Golden truly translate that into her book? Perhaps I missed it back then, or it was lost in the translation, but imho she did not.

Her Arthas is much more clear-headed, his reasons are much more psychological, explained to the audience, to the point the character loses some of his edge.

And he’s not the sole character done dirty in the book. The Kael-Jaina-Arthas love triangle does not work: a major part of Arthas in WC3 was just how numb he felt, introducing this love triangle diverted attention from the OG concept and, on top of that, it was really unnecessary to establish a proper rivalry.

Arthas killed Kael’s father and his two kingdoms, yet Jaina is mentioned more than his father and his lost people. Is that the real problem between the two of them? They meet in Northrend and… taunt each other about her? What the ****. This is a prince who lost everything, his kingdom, his father, his friends in Dalaran, and you make it about a love triangle?! In Warcraft 3 we see him a changed man, there is something missing inside him - but no, they stole the GF guys. That’s the problem.

All these details “soften” the story. They bring a fake depth: in that they add more details, but the crimes, the journey we have seen with Arthas, that instead has less details, it is not as elaborated upon: Evil Arthas is almost placed aside to explore Teenager Arthas: his drama, and so on.

I also felt like Kel’Thuzad was flanderized into a boot-licker. Which, yes, he is to an extent, but also there is much more. In many ways, he’s a bit of a mentor figure to Arthas, and the two develop a bond of some kind, there is gravitas about him which is part of his fashion - but in the book it’s not really explored.

Likewise, the battles feel extremely uninspired - Arthas deflecting an arrow with his sword? Felo’melorn shattering because it makes contact with frostmourne? Meh. Kael’thas the fire mage fighting in… melee with a sword? :face_with_diagonal_mouth:

I find it overrated.

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No.

This has been a staple of fantasy for ages now, just to show howpowerfull of a melee fighter someone is.

I don’t think this is a real problem, though. Kael’thas is hundreds(thousands?) Of years old, so ofcourse he would have some skill with a sword if he trained such abilities?

Its like how Saurfang, in A Good War, stated that even a simple knife is deadly in the hands of a thousand years old Night Elf civilian. So Kael’thas being proficient with a sword, ontop of being a powerfull Mage, is not a big deal for me!

Can’t really comment on the rest, since I haven’t read the book😩

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I’d like to think mages like Kael’thas wear a sword ceremonially or for status. Just like how naval soldiers in real life carry a sword or medieval merchants carried around a fancy dagger for example. Sure they could whack or stab someone if they really tried but they’d lose to pretty much anyone with basic training.

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Kael was heir to Felo’melorn. It is unthinkable he wouldn’t have received instruction in swordplay.

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I just think he should be fighting as a mage, rather than as a warrior. This is meant to be an epic duel of mage VS death knight at their peak form, and all I get is the mage swinging a sword and throwing two fireballs, then swinging a sword again until - OH NO! - he is defeated? The problem isn’t that he should be unable to swing a sword, nobody cares about that, the problem is that I am expecting the fire mage archetype to be enhanced and explored in the book, rather than placed aside. It’s meh.

Sure, but it doesn’t make it better.

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Even more reason to wear that on his belt. I bet he got a lot of free drinks at the bar swinging that thing around to amaze people with. The design of that sword doesn’t even work for swordplay anyway.

A ceremonial mages’ blade reliant on, at best, being on fire rather than parrying.

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Which makes it even less useful for swordplay if it’s just gonna be set on fire anyway. Those coloured swords from Tazavesh are like the best mage swords out there. A simple handle with a blade that’s on fire.

Felo’melorn has so much unnecessary weight above the grip and not even a crossguard that it’ll be slow and unbalanced to swing and easily fatigue you after a few whacks. But at least it looks cool, right?

Frostmourne is silly too but at least there’s the excuse Arthas is imbued with necromagic that it doesn’t even matter.

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High fantasy cool factor. Majority of weapons and armors in this game wouldn’t work and are just made to look cool, so this really isn’t an issue. We aren’t in LOTR or the Witcher.

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No says man who’s cloth already cosplays as plate. God forbid if it was actual plate.

Correct.

I just figure many stupid lookin’ weapons in WoW are made of magic metals and/or enchanted to be 200% less impractical in weight, balance and cutting power.

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And this is an easier pill to swallow than highborne nobility using a heavily enchanted sword… how?

Lets not forget, Arthas almost died to felo’melorn.

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As Telaryn’s materials thread shows, there are indeed a bunch of magic metals.

Plus if Paladin hammers can be lighter in hand due to the Light’s blessing, then a mage boosting their sword swipes with bursts of fire/arcane or whatever just works.

My mage casting fireball on myself to draw my sword super fast when dueling a rogue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H6WlmoAFPA

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Because it isn’t a 180°. There are characters that have this, and it’s heavily implied and shown here and there that a lot of their behaviour isn’t applied by necromancy, but psychological. As of Before the Storm, they go into full detail about how the Forsaken were starting to slowly see Sylvanas for what she was and even made their own government, only for her to assassinate them, blame their deaths on the Alliance, and begin a reign of terror that kept dissent under wraps, or six feet under.

The in-universe time between the events described in Before the Storm and Gilneas’ quest line is 7 years.

As for why Death Knights have a ‘free pass’, is because the factions have no jurisdiction over the Ebon Blade, and Tirion Fordring vouched for them. You see this in the introduction quest finale, where both factions say they are about to execute you before you present his voucher. It’s not “because they’re using it for good!”, as they have to deal with the Eternal Hunger, which other undead don’t have to deal with; something that makes them an actual threat should they go long enough without carnage or violence.

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What you’re describing here actually seems like one of the more realistic, grounded lores in the game.