PTR Spoiler/Discussion Thread (Part 2)

I guess the same way Shivarra have been using the Holy Light since the first expansion of this game.

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Are we seriously going to use game mechanics for lore justifications now or is it just selective picks?

I mean sure they can add any lore to explain anything.

Tolkien could have added a piece of lore at the end of the books that actually they were just gonna offer the orcs a social benefit system to make them revolt on Sauron, or that in Cixin Liu’s Three body Problem the Trisolarians suddenly just became mega benevolent toward humans, and so on and so on.

Doesn’t mean it’s a good explanation or an addition.

Gr-

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What game mechanics?

The demon that revived and healed Kael’thas used the Holy Light. Ingame she used Holy abilities, her lore is that she resurrected Kael’thas (who was then on Fel Crystal Life Support) and that she’s a Priestess.

This doesn’t mean every single Shivarra used the Light or has the capacity to do so, but neither does the existence of Lightforged Warlocks mean they are suddenly a norm among the Lightforged, are tolerated or that any one of them can become a felhead. There’s no normalization here.

What it does mean is that having an affiliation with Fel doesn’t exclude you from using the Light. So why would the affiliation with the Light exclude you from using Fel?

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Shivarra being priests is in fact an actual lore point up to and including Kael’thas’s survival after we goon him in Tempest Keep.

There was even concept art of Lightforged Shivarra for Legion, but it got scrapped and never made it to the game.

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Pretty much. It’s incredibly easy to justify give or take any concept in WoW. To closely mirror LFD warlock, lets take LFD DK.

Completely checks out lorewise, sure, but that doesn’t change that it’s a deeply unfitting/uninteresting angle and kind of just looks plain goofy. Just because you can ‘get away’ with something in the setting doesn’t mean it’s a good addition.

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Love how everyone’s that crying over LFD warlocks are outright ignoring that blood elves passively absorb Light 24/7 and can be warlocks to.

Either be consistent and demand the removel of blood elf warlocks (and priest from fel-corrupted orcs) or accept that Light absorbed/absorbing creatures don’t magically explode when using Fel.

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like most of the other spinoff lore from TBC, as Dekarn and Vixi said, this piece of lore is degenerate.

Yeah exactly.

Can you elaborate a bit?

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TBH that’s a bit simplifying that stance becacuse the other aspect of this is why would any Lightforged Draenei ever become a warlock when their entire history and culture is anathema to using Fel.

To which I just point at my earlier post:

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Apples and oranges.

The blood elves didn’t go through a pure devotion or death ritual that hyper-infused them with the Light.

Maybe be a bit less antagonistic if you’re not that familiar with what you’re actually talking about.

(not that there aren’t a couple dozen race/class combos I would gladly see vanish)

nvm now i understand

First, belves actually enslaved a naaru to be their battery so it actually made perfect sense for them to be able to use fel.

Second, that said light entity, in its eternal wisdom, decided to allow the belves to keep on using it as a battery (but they dont anyway because they are super enlightened now somehow).

you mean like when he retconned large parts of harad and the haradriim, the blue wizards’ fate, when the silmarillion was released, or when he retconned the entirety of the hobbit because he couldn’t fit the story of his new book through the lenses of the hobbit?

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yes, exactly that

Well, blood elves passively absorb the Light from the Sunwell wherever they are, ever since a Naaru core was dropped into it by Velen at the end of TBC.

That means every blood (and high) elf is infused with the Light, because they are infused/magically linked to the Sunwell which nourishes their addiction.

So if a LFD, infused by the Light, shouls be unable to become a warlock because of his infusion by the Light, it follows that blood and high elves should be unable to use Fel because they are 24/7 passively absorbing the Light from the Sunwell.

WAT?

Also,

https://twitter.com/Portergauge/status/1656788755255275521

Finally a Light-based hearthstone! I can drop the Kyrian one soon :tm:

Listen I’ll be honest;

In the end, I am just happy that I get to play NElf Warlock. Suprised for sure; I always expected Paladin, then Shaman and then maybe one day Warlock…

Oh!? :open_mouth:

Again, because a race/class combo is available to play, does not and has never implied that this is somehow common, socially acceptable or even legal IC.

Lightforged Draenei, like any race, have the ability to deviate from their norms. Their devotion to the Light is a given, since it’s a requirement for their existence, but the NPC introduced in the quest chain is a good example of how they can still deviate from their race’s values and ideas. This guy has seen his people, blessed and protected by the Light, take so many losses, he can’t justify not seeking out any possible form of power.

The highmountain tauren seems to follow the same idea - The world can’t afford to not use any means available to ensure its protection.

In addition, this notion that Fel and Light will somehow explode when put together - where does that come from? Opposing cosmic forces have mixed many times in the lore. Undead channel the Light, Lightforged become undead.

I understand that many feel the concept doesn’t make a lot of sense. I understand that. I don’t think the idea of a Lightforged warlock is particularly appealing either. But I enjoy the idea of every race (eventually) getting access to every class, because to me, it implies that regardless of a race’s culture, individuals are capable of going outside the norms and seeking out power elsewhere.

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At a guess, the Maiden of Vigilance fight in Tomb of Sargeras where you can’t cross the fel-infused+light infused stuff without going kaboom.

Same vein, we had that shadow+fel amalgam dude in Hellfire Citadel who kept exploding, and shadow+light are just two sides of the same coin (except when they’re not).

It’s not baseless, as a thought, but it’s clearly not always the case, otherwise vengeance demon hunters would have a hell of a time tanking for holy priests.

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As far as I understand the blood elves do not need to drain from it- But rather they can, if they choose to.

It’s not a thing where it is automatically handed to you- You have to opt for it.

I remeber something something that they’re passively linked to it eitherway, hence why so many died when the Sunwell became corrupted and they had to blow it up?

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I’m not sure I follow- Do you mean when Arthas corrupted it, or when the demons did it?