They weren’t meant to be in Vanilla. In Vanilla, the Anubisath were implied to be brought to life from stone, just like other stuff:
Vek’lor sought his twin brother’s aid in the task, and while Vek’nilash used his physical might to craft a grand body of volcanic rock, Vek’lor fortified the shell with powerful magic.
Emperor Vek’lor named the finished construct Moam, and observed as the dark master infused it with life. He was pleased and surprised to find that the improved Obsidian Destroyer was far more versatile than its earlier counterparts.
Personally I don’t get the hate for the cinematic. Yes, it tells us something we already know happened, but gives us insight on Tyr. I think that is nice. It corroborates the idea that not all titan-forged are bad and even if it didn’t give us anything new, who cares? It’s still nice to have a depiction of a lore event.
As for Titans being evil. I will say, the titan-forged are very much fallible. You may have some good ones (Tyr, Freya, Thorim), some that are outright corrupted (Ra-den and Loken) and others that are simply kind of evil (Odyn). It wouldn’t surprise me if we’re setting up a titan-forged expansion where a group (read: Odyn’s) becomes the bad guy, seeing order as something to be imposed against people’s will, just like Xe’ra.
On one hand; I am happy they use Legionfall Orders again, on the other hand those Orders did alot of damage to class/race fantasy…
Knights of the Silver Hand-Order hall did alot more bad then good, imho. (Tauren, (Ghost) NElf Paladins, etc)
And I do like they do include the Tyrsguard; I think it shouldn’t call back to the Order Hall from Legion, at all… Especially for Horde races and after BfA
The Silver Hand, as he mentions it, has ‘few members left’ and that they are ‘followers of Tyr’, in the questline. I can only make the assumption that those non-fitting organisations left, but I suppose we won’t have to wait for long to see if that’s the case or not.
Though, if it is the case, it would also create another weird thing that passed by my mind; what the hell is the Argent Crusade doing right now, then? The Argent Crusade is supposed to be a merger of the Argent Dawn and the Silver Hand, but now the Silver Hand is back to being its own thing and Alliance-only, but their headquarters are under neutral grounds and Uther’s Tomb is controlled by the Silver Hand but the floor tiling has a large Argent symbol and-
I mean, thats what Blizzard created The Silver Hand and The Knights of the Silver Hand.
One is a neutral, Legionfall Order and the other is a Alliance Order. But they use the same characters and the same tabard.
Imho it is a giant, missed, oppertunity, that if they wanted to bring every Paladin under 1 umbrella, to not use the Argent Crusade for that. And even then it would not have fitted, in the slightest. But alas.
All I can hope for now is them making the Knights of the Silver Hand and the Silver Hand 1 organisation and ignore the Tauren Lore murdered within the Order Hall for it.
This has been a thing since vanilla, though… Due to Human and Dwarven Paladins!
Hence why it never made sense to make them the neutral faction instead of the Argent Dawn or Crusade or whatever…
When it comes to Legionfall Orders, I hope we’ll finally get some clearance about the status of the Wandering Isle and the Peak of Serenity. And, Celestials will, all Pandaren will be able to get there again, not only monks.
They’re not Tauren Paladins you guys, they’re sun worshipers who channel the magic of the sun the way night elf druids and priestesses channel the moon. But we’re going treat them exactly like Holy Light wielding paladins and make them do all the holy light paladin things.
Yeah that’s a “wait what?” moment in the DK intro zone ending. Who are you to speak for the Silver Hand or the Argent Dawn, you’re an exiled hermit who was kicked out and still are.
I like that it shows Tyr’s willpower. Despite the attempt to drive him towards despair with visions of fallen Aspects, something the Void is insidiously capable of, he shrugs it off and nukes the entire area to win the day.
He was still a very respected figure by his former brothers.
Everyone else was dead and the Silver Hand was for all intents and purposes defunct in Lordaeron, its members gone to either the Scarlet Crusade or the Argent Dawn. It’s best to think of the Silver Hand not as a unified organisation, but one split between national chapters.
Tirion simply had no one to oppose his claim to leadership of the Silver Hand and everyone who remained still respected him enough to go along with what he said.
Did he? I remember him leading the Argent Dawn/Crusade (not the Silver Hand) until he died in Legion, after which the Silver Hand Order Hall was created from what remained of the Argents and other paladin orders.
At the Battle for Light’s Hope, Tirion declared that the Silver Hand and the Argent Dawn would come together to form the Argent Crusade.
Since it was basically just the Argent Dawn(+Ebon Blade) in attendance at that proclamation, it amounts to him saying “I’m joining your group, renaming it, and leading it” while flying the banner of the (defunct) Silver Hand (that he was kicked out of).
Huh, right you are, I figured they were a sort of middle ground minor faction between scarlet and argent dawn, who allied with the latter, but nope my mistake.
I mean we were kinda forced to think like that about the Knights of the Silver Hand, otherwise the Alliance chapter, which included Human and Dwarven Paladins from Stormwind and Ironforge would have been led by Tirion and been members of the Argent Crusade since WoTLK.
Then Legion made it even a bigger mess by having the Knights of the Silver Hand fall under the Argent Crusade, which in turn fell under The Silver Hand.
Point is; since Vanilla the Knights of the Silver Hand was an Alliance faction, with splintergroups like the Argent Dawn and the Scarlet Crusade adopting new names and thus dissssociating themselves from the Knights of the Silver Hand, which had gotten a badrep in the aftermath of the plague, and Tirion was in no position whatsoever to officially claim leadership of the remaining Knights of the Silver Hand(an Alliance faction) and then reform it into the Argent Crusade.
If anyone had that power and the position to do that; it would’ve been Lord Grayson Shadowbreaker, the official leader of the Knights of the Silver Hand.
Ofcourse its easy to discuss this years and years after, and at that moment I did not mind either, but thinking back on it… It was a really “wait wat” moment, imho
While I normally like nuance in my worldbuilding I think Warcraft would do itself a service if it went back to “Light is good, Void is bad” mentality, mainly because I have never trusted or thought the Blizzard writer to be particularly good at doing anything more in terms of nuance and exploring morality.
It’s never been their or Warcraft’s strongest side, and the franchise felt easier to enjoy when it just leaned into and rolled with “Okay, this is good this is bad.”
