Not helped either by the fact that when they make attempts at moral ambiguity the conclusion is either enlightened centrism (all sides, all people, all things bad) or its blizzard lore writers getting weirdly dogwhistly accidentally or not in interviews talking about how fluoride in tap water is like a mind control agent.
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Not as Tirion perhaps, but as the ashbringer his claim is nothing if not very symbolic when you consider he was calling for a crusade against the very foe the blade was meant to battle. I can see how the concept of a new ashbringer could band together factions full of former silver hand members very easily.
The blade even when corrupt commanded enough respect among the scarlet crusade to allow its wielder to walk right into their very Heart and slay one of their leaders without resistance.
A purified one in the hands of a respected but washed up hero would no doubt cause an even stronger reaction.
The Brotherhood of the Light also predates the Argent Dawn.
He claimed leadership of the Lordaeronian chapter of the Knights of the Silver Hand, then merged it with the Argent Dawn to form the Argent Crusade. It’s arguably that simple to avoid a
Which did not even exist anymore, because they became the Scarlet Crusade, which later splintered into the Argent Dawn…
So over what did he claim leadership? There was no Lordaeronian Knights of the Silver Hand chapter anymore, nor any members…
So its still a “wait wat…” moment
Also I do not think there is a distinction between “chapters” of the Knights of the Silver Hand, lorewise, is there?
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The Argent Dawn splintering off from the Scarlet Crusade is retconned lore, both were founded at around roughly the same time from the remnants of the Silver Hand and their non-Lighty followers.
The Silver Hand, which had neither members nor knights. His claim revived it, then. The paladins of the Argent Dawn, former members of the Silver Hand, submitted themselves to him.
There’s not, but it would make sense. It explains how the Silver Hand could wield such political powers in several different kingdoms and how those in Stormwind and Ironforge were largely unaffected by the events in Lordaeron.
This is a very dangerous line of thought when applied to WoW lore.
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It’s what we as roleplayers have been doing for years at this point.
Which is fair, but usually it would be substantiated with lore.
As of now I go on WoWpedia, search the words “Chapter” and “Order” (both with and without adding Paladin with each search) and I get nada results for what you’re implying from the first seven pages.
At no point did I actually say it was actually a thing in the lore, at the most I said it made sense when you look at the Silver Hand as an organisation. As roleplayers we have been roleplaying different chapters of the Silver Hand for years now, it is how many paladin based guilds have been explained IC.
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That’s fine, just say “I think those are different Silver Hand chapters because Paladin RPers have that headcanon on the realm” as a reasoning instead of saying that it’s an actual thing in canon lore in lieu of a better explanation.
“How’d you become Highlord then?”
“Darion Mograine, his arm clad in the purest whispering saronite, held aloft Ashbringer from the bosom of the blighted earth, signifying by Holy providence that I Tirion was to carry Ashbringer. That is why I’m your Highlord!”
“Listen, strange undead knights lying outside chapels distributing swords is no basis for a system of leadership.”
There’s also the part where Tirion was a seasoned paladin, exiled or not.
If we take the comic as canon, then he was also there at the first battle for the Chapel.
He was not just some random hobo living in the Plaguelands even in classic. Though that part is kinda weird but I will pitch it down to classic being classic:
Commander Eligor Dawnbringer says: “Now be silent and note where you are, lest I inform Lord Fordring and his knights that you are no longer here on amicable terms. I am certain he would take great pleasure in seeing to your ‘atonement.’”
He was a man of some regained status by then already.
I will not even mention the fact that the guy rocked up at the Chapel and purified one of the most famous weapons to any (Human) Paladin. Or the fact that Light’s Hope itself was more or less a miracle.
There had to be separate organisations of the Silver Hand, since the Argent Crusade (a merging of the Silver Hand and Argent Dawn) existed at the same time as the Silver Hand in Stormwind (which Cata quests confirmed).
Whether they were called “Chapters” or not doesn’t matter much, really. The confirmed canon is that the “Silver Hand of Lordaeron” (under Tirion, effectively defunct) was a separate organisation to the “Silver Hand of Stormwind” (still active during Cata).
The SHS is still active today too, under Turalyon, while the Argent Crusade is still knocking about.
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But my better explanation, as already given, is that once you look at the Silver Hand as an organisation it wielded tremendous amounts of political power in the human kingdoms prior to the Third War, many of its knights were landed lords commanding fortified towns that flew the Silver Hand’s own standard.
Uther was the Highlord of the Silver Hand, but he was still beholden to Terenas as the King of Lordaeron, and not the leader of the Alliance. It’s through that authority Arthas disbanded the Silver Hand, something that only seems to have affected the Lordaeronian branch of the Silver Hand.
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There we go, that sounds better. Your explanation is quote sound.
Probably a title given as befit of his position in the crusade.
I imagine the only reason he stayed in power until he got burned was solely because he did such a banger job the crusade just thought he was neat and didn’t mind.
Tirion was also a highly respected man even after his excommunication. Uther took no joy in removing him from the Order - he tried to find any possible loophole for Tirion to remain. But Tirion refusing to give up Eitrigg for execution was an act of treason given they were still at war, and Uther had no choice but to exile him. The other choice was execution.
Even so, Uther understood why Tirion did what he did and why he stood by his principles, a trait he admired in Tirion as a man which made him worthy of being one of the First Five Paladins. But by law, his hands were tied.
Him becoming the Ashbringer carried a lot of symbolism as the last surviving first Paladin (Turalyon still being assumed dead at the time) of the Silver Hand which made him a symbol to rally around. Even if he had been excommunicated, he carried enough reputation to not be contested in that moment. Nobody ever doubted Tirion’s integrity.
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https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/23960048/the-trading-post-for-june-is-all-abuzz
3 mounts this month. Orange scarfcloak. Firelord horn transmog.
They are also removing the Observer glyph for warlocks because players can get confused over it not looking like the Felhunter.
Why not just add more Observer skins/choices for the Felhunter? Is the playerbase (or it’s Blizzard projecting) so stupid they can’t comprehend more than one demon archetype playing the same role?
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One of these groups said “You think you do but you don’t”.
My guess is they didn’t want to or couldn’t be bothered to make pet barbershop options for the Observer so they just straight up deleted it. That justification they gave just screams laziness at work.
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