PTR Spoiler/Discussion Thread (Part 4)

Blizzard have always had a weird obession with assault in various forms to be honest, only real difference is it used to be part of an at least somewhat interesting story.

Now it’s just ‘huh?’ all day every day.

The new Well is going to be a VoidLight Well blessed and empowered by Azeroth herself, and somehow its going to be even more super important and powerfull then the other Wells combined or the Worldtree’s and the Haranir are going to encroach upon the Thalassian Elves lore and history, aswell. (why is the Second Well of Eternity still a thing?) :weary_face:

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Wouldn’t they just cancel one another out and render the Sunwell back into a font of just Arcane? I know Chronicles is no longer is an objective source of in-universe information - but the Great Beyond (and presumably Arcane with it?) was formed from the melding of Shadow and Light.

There’s also an effect called [The Darkwell] on the alpha, which reads as “The Darkwell’s immense void beam instantly vaporizes any player within it.” and deals Holy, Arcane, Shadow and Nature damage. Not entirely sure where the Nature part is coming from.

I suspect that´s a game mechanic thing, perhaps to ensure that people don´t cheese it somehow by having some sort of immunity/reduction to the damage dealt, as it´s meant to kill the player no matter what they do.

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well thats one way to have Telaryn main them.

i really havent given it much thought (beyond missing when it was just a planet.) but when you frame it like that its giving me major ick between the way the old gods have latched to her and the titans “shackling.”

we really didnt need to go this cosmic

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Excuse you, I prefer wine moms

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Blood- and High Elves remain addicted to arcane magic as far as I’m aware? Though, yes, the Sunwell means that is has little tangible effect on them.

I think the point is “blood elves were more interesting when their lives were made more difficult by the lack of a reliable font of magical sustenance,” and probably “nightborne were more interesting when their need for magical sustenance was used by their tyrant to maintain a dystopian society” too.

While blood elves were never into fel stuff and it was all a part of the deception of Kael’thas and the edgy blood elves of the Burning Crusade that people reminisce about never actually existed, I can’t blame people for finding the struggle of the sin’dorei during that expansion more interesting than the lack of that struggle in the years that followed.

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Yes. My point is that, if the Sunwell/nightwell were destroyed/shut down, and no substitute existed (e.g. arcan’dor, Naaru), this would make both the elves much more interesting and strike a clesr difference between them and the elves of Alliance, for example.

If Blood elves had to drain fel crystals, mana wyrms or in the middle of combat become essentially magic vampires to drain people to prevent themselves from becoming wretched, that struggle would have given them far mpre narrative potential going forward. Trying to find a cure, turning to other things like the light, nature, fel or w/e to manage the magic addiction, and indeed habe them flare our like feral animals when they haven’t gotten their fix.

And this would have made the integration of NB even better for the Horde, because the belves could have taught and helped the NB manage their mana addiction that they had been shielded from by the Dome and the nightwell.

First Arcanist Thalyssra says: “Two shots of Arc-wine..”

Proceeds to pour more than half the bottle

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Playing Lemix atm is reminding me that scrungles Nightborne/Nightfallen were much more of a vibe.

Breaking free of the Nightwell but staying Scrunchy would have been better, my hot take of a Monday.

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If you haven’t seen any good examples, it means they are doing a good job.
Staying out of hubs, keeping social interaction minimal, not taking part in social gatherings or meet ups and perhaps, just perhaps show up to a campaign flanked by lightforged draenei.

Probably because the PC has the collective logical processing power of a spoiled peanut.
NPC gives quest = friend
NPC doesn’t give quest = not friend, not enemy
NPC attacks you = enemy.

I mean thats sort of their whole motivation and point.
They are like sylvanas or for a greek comparison Sisyphus.
Their task is basically endless and the only reason they might actually do what Sisyphus can’t, is their long life-span.
They are demons, they are immortal, They will need an eternity to make up for their sins and they have the life-span to see it through.

But Azeroths paladins were made to combat the orcs, the literal manifesation of evil to the people at the time.
Their role would have expanded later.

Say what you want about Garrosh, at least he kept it in his pants

Disc priest…
But I would abeslutely love to see a Disc paladin, 4th spec.
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There, all caught up again.

The Arcantina is pretty much the undiluted essence of the direction the game has lurched violently towards since BFA. Seeing as Blizzard are incapable of taking feed back - and criticism - constructive, or otherwise.

We’re an expansion away from Jaina, Khadgar, Anduin doing a video cover of “Where is the Love?” By the Black Eyed Peas with Thrall making a token appearance.

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Surely Classic+ will save us Aerilen.

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Yeah I tend to agree that both the Blood Elves and Nightborne were more interesting before they became just slightly different flavours of magical elf and when they had a bit more of an edge of desperation to them.

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To be the devil’s advocate ( :nerd_face: :index_pointing_up: ). People would be equally expasperated/disinterested if it was played out forever – in the same vein that zombie movies/shows inevitably stop being about the walking dead (heh).

TBC’s sin is the story was wrapped up there and then. Rather than over a few expansions.

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the classic zombie movies were never actually about the walking dead

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An issue thats only rapidly sped up
now we deal with entire expansions worth of content in a single patch.

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Which is by the by, I used The Walking Dead as a reference. It grew past the zombies and became something different all together with zombies as window dressing – because you can’t flog being on the edge of uncertainty forever. There’s only so many times Scoob and Gang can be salami sliced in the same plot repeatedly. The two end points would be failure or success, I suppose stagnation would work too but that’s one of Warcraft’s weaknesses imo.

Isaac Asimov’s Foundation would be another good comparison. In over however many books you have an organisation go through numerous events (from dealing with bellicose neighbors to psychic warlords) as they attempt to reboot humanity from the brink of annihilation.

It’s memorable because in each book the crisis is different. Time passes. From securing a planet to war with a paralell organisation to a psychic warlord bringing the galaxy to heel.

While flogging five, ten, fifteen books (or expansions) to death over whether they can establish themselves on the planet would eventually get stale.

I suppose if the elves had remained magic vampires
they could have introduced various methods for them to maintaim their abilities.
from the draining of a Naaru to captured scarlet zealots as a “gift” from the forsaken.
to securing titan relics or dragons as sources of limited power to draw upon.

It would help keep them in the a state of questionable actions, not uncommon among other horde races and give them excuses to preserve rivalery with various alliance groups.
The dreanei would be opposed to the naaru capture, relics stolen for arcane energy gives conflict with the dwarves etc.

basically they would be junkies always seeking a new way to get their fix each expansion when something new eventually comes to the surface.
But I suppose even that would run stale eventually.

Legion and the Nightborne would’ve been a fine time for BElves to wean themselves off of their addiction thanks to stealing the Eye of Aman’thul for themselves the Arcan’dor. Doesn’t even need to be complete or immediate - fruits take a while to bear fruit, so who gets cured first gets to be a quiet source of internal antagonism for a while.

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