[PVP] AV Russian Premades in EU cluster

The title is a little click bait as I don’t know if the RU cluster can do premades like it used to be but the point of topic is that the RU cluster can get atleast half a raid from one server in an AV and they are average Rank 8 or higher every game; this shouldn’t be a thing, Blizzard took premade AV’s away and the RU cluster can attain this because they have a smaller gathering of servers to mix across.

I think Blizzard either mixes RU into EU in PvP and we put up with the language like we do the other EU friends or you take RU out of the cluster and let them premade themselves to death!

Please if anyone has the same frustration with how the RU cluster is abusing their dominance let it be said and anyone with suggestions please comment.

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Activision-Blizzard has given us radio silence on the Russians in EU BGs issue ever since it was implemented in Retail many years ago.

They have also demonstrated a bias to both Russian and Chinese regimes, so what else can you expect from such a company.

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Also to add to the above post:

I want to dispell the myth that Russians are somehow god-mode gamers, they are not.
Catch one in a 1v1 (it can happen) and they get nervous and look around for allies and realize there are none. They have forgotten how their classes work in individual combat.

In EU groups, we have Brits, Swedes, Danes, Norwegians, Finns, Poles, Romanians, Slavs. We even have some French and Germans who want to practice their English. Hell, we have some Africans and Asians on my server.

Russians all can communicate effectively and join Discord, and that’s what they do.

The fundamental issue is that they all talk the same language, and therefore from the very moment they begin a BG they are already at an advantage. Communication is the difference between a win and loss.

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*They’re not part of EU. A part of Russia is in Europe, but they’re not part of the Union whatsoever.

As for the mixing, they were a part of the gigantic EU matchmaking pool the first week of Classic BGs. There were a lot of complaints, rightfully so, and they were segregated just like in Retail’s matchmaking after that.
The solution is NEVER to mix them with the rest. The REAL solution is for them to learn English like the rest of the world, but since that’s never going to happen, the practical solution is to remove them entirely from the matchmaking pool.

This haphazard measure is not enough. And yeah, they can still premade larger than the limit, the same way it was done for a long time in retail, but that doesn’t mean it’s always like that.

Yes, they do have a few overpopulated servers even though they don’t have a lot of servers to begin with, so you can sometimes see a lot of the same server on their side as a pure coincidence. However, that doesn’t mean they can’t do the premade exploits like EU and NA used before the hotfixes. The hotfixes batches up the matchmaking, in order to artificially provide more time for the pool of players you can get matched up with to increase in size. The hotfixes also reduced the priority on the window of time of people queuing up for the matchmaking, so one who queued up 5 minutes ago can get matched up with one who signed up 1 minute ago when in the past it would put heavier emphasis on matching up those who queued up closer to the same time for a steadier average wait time.
But because their pool is so small to begin with, regardless of this increased time, they can still reduce the pool enough for them to have a high chance of getting a large portion of a premade into the same AV.

So the hotfixes don’t prevent it in an already-small matchmaking pool like theirs, like it does for a large population like in the gigantic EU matchmaking pool.

It’s a problem they’ve ignored for YEARS in retail, until the players themselves grew so tired of it that they simply stopped doing it together with the way rewards in unrated BGs became more and more diluted over time and reduced significance in the reward scheme changes as well.

But of course, the Blizzard puppets kept saying “no no, it’s never a premade, they can’t do premades, don’t be silly, the limit set by Blizzard is absolute” whenever it was brought up on the forum so it never gained traction.

The difference now is that EU and NA alliance showed just how real those exploits are, so hopefully people will suspect overly coordinated behavior and higher than “normal” gear average more than they used to in retail.

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they literally just started farming us in my last AV lol… like, they were so confident they just straight up farmed us at the cave :rofl:

this is the first AV i’ve /afked out of ever since it was released.
GG russian alliance, you are better than the EU alliance, but only because you can still premade.

but hey, horde favored map!! ALLIANCE CANNOT WIN.
what a joke.

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^ This is why you can’t mix them with the rest. Because the inability to communicate in English, and the spam of cyrillic text, makes it impossible to work together as a team. That’s not a feasible solution to a PvP design whatsoever.

I’d personally prefer it if xrealm matchmaking would be gone entirely so it’d be more like in vanilla, but beggars can’t be choosers I guess…

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I came here after a cave farm. I was really wondering how Russians could keep making premades. And why on earth premades are matched against non-premades. Now I know I I also know that Blizzard has already chosen to ignore it. So that’s great.

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email hacks@blizzard.com with information like that it’s in the EU region and that it’s Classic WoW, the realm date & time when it happened, which BG instance and which number of the BG it was, and what you suspect them of. You can see the number when you’re inside a BG and mouse over the minimap icon for the BG.

Enough spam can eventually lead to a response. As Blizzard has shown many times now in the way they’ve handled Classic.

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Russians were merged into EU BGs since 2013.

In 7 years there has not been a single post by Activision-Blizzard to acknowledge any of the problems that this brings. In true Activision-Blizzard style, an issue is bought to their attention and they simply do not want to hear it.

The irony is that Russian servers never existed in true Vanilla. Russians played WoW, but they had to play on English servers like the rest of us.

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russians are the biggest tryhards in europe,when they just die 1 time in pvp they break stuff around em

When ppl talk about EU it’s pretty fkn clear when they’re talking about the continent vs union vs regional servers…

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Do you think of Taiwan as a part of China or not? China is forcing others to say it’s a part of China, like for example WHO, as part of their ongoing campaign to take it over.
They did the same with Tibet and the South China Sea. They’re even trying to change world globes and maps to show the South China Sea as controlled by China more than it actually is. There are even maps showing Taiwan as a part of China, even though it isn’t.

Just by “hinting” Russia is a part of EU, like how

where it was implied they’re just another friend inside of EU just like everyone else in the matchmaking pool as the quote suggests, it can mess with people’s impressions.

Don’t need any of that. The power of words is stronger than you seem to think. Make clear distinctions. Simply put, just don’t budge.

They’re fkn not part of EU. They’re not a friend of EU either.

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I have 2 Russian Guilds on our server and I’d call them Friends as they are nice people but the big difference is they speak english and they partake in PvP with English and when you ask them why they don’t play on the RU cluster they simply respond with… It’s not fun on the RU cluster.

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Not to mention how they still pool Great Britain with EU! The sheer audacity of it. All British players should obviously play on Russian servers now, unless they agree to only communicate in the majority EU language without its own servers, ie Italian.

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I also think that they should have their own battlegroup, only facing the russian horde. I’m sick and tired of being forced to put up with cheaters in AV because Blizzard is afraid of appearing xenophobic to some SJWs.

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Wow… Nice one, you took it out of context. Go up, read the posts again, and then come up with a real response instead of just making pathetic Brexit jokes. Mkay?
You replied to a post only talking about the geopolitical state, while the points for separating them into their own pool properly was made in posts previous to that one. Go read them. Moron.

There’s a difference between individuals and a political body, you know? Russia as a country is not a friend of the EU. Thought that was obvious though. Safespotting assured me it would be obvious!!

For real though, inb4 some SJW people starts throwing out -isms and -phobics, I’ve done arenas with great Russian players that knew English well enough (not many of them around though), but that doesn’t mean there aren’t problems to mixing them up with the EU pool of players as a whole.

As explained in previous posts.

Getting farmed at the cave? good, should have just agreed with EU allaince players and move that cave more back to the south.

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i dont see any problem … prooblem would be if you put russ with eu englih playrs in same team… thy aretn batter in fact i won more Av vs russian then vs eu…
so all fine … you cnat just put them in tma with english becoue of thy cyrilic wich evne for me as slav it look like chinese… how you woudl call them? “Hey you hunter go def?” oh sh*t wich hunter there is five of them :smiley:

This is true, trying to remember which enemy is which is bad enough as you Can’t distinguish there names. Blizzard should just name them player 1-40 lol.

Blizzard should remove them from the cluster then as why should they get to be more organised in AV because they are a smaller cluster? It is basically unfair gameplay. But like others have said above Blizzard will ignore the call on this like they have repeatedly done in the past.

i did. /lol10char