French, Deutsch, English playing together, but Russians are separated…
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They all use the Roman alphabet as a base for their own. Russians don’t.
bnEKnOK, nice name.
What about scandinavians with Æøåø nicknames? And as I told earlier, in 2020 most of russian can speak english on average level.
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They’re still based on the Roman alphabet. Meaning AE still looks like AE, that o with the diagonal cut still looks like an o, a with the ring on top like an a, and so on.
Meanwhile, your name would be something like BNnbMca.
Except not really.
https://www.ef.com/wwen/epi/
Russia was ranked even lower than China. Mouse over “Countries & Regions” to see the international rankings.
Don’t get me wrong, you yourself are proficient at it. There are those in every country in that list who are proficient at it. But the average is so low in some countries, that you and they are only the exception. You don’t represent the average. And the average in Russia is comparatively worse to almost half of that list.
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not really every russian. have minimum 2 keyboards layouts (english, russian, local)… or how do you think they type urls and etc 
Another thing - they prolly wont use Latin keyboard layout in 90% of cases.
Im not russian ( i even never been in RU/and so), but i think maybe increased pool would be better for all…
But ppl will complain about communication, ever now… francais guys often use own lang, and others just ignore chat and follow first who ran
First you say that.
Then you say this.
You’re kinda making the case for the direct opposite, that they should be separated properly. The current compromise in the matchmaking only makes the premade hotfixes earlier this year completely meaningless.
You use French people as an example, but even they ranked higher than Russia in that list, you know?
As for why people won’t communicate with each other, despite the likelihood of understanding each other (French also uses the Roman alphabet), has more to do with social psychology. There’s no reason to communicate with people you don’t care about and have no implicit trust for.
Realm communities prevents this from occurring.
To begin with, Blizzard are forcing players who deliberately chose servers meant for other languages than English to yet still play with realms where English is expected, in for example BGs in Classic. (PvE as well in retail though.)
It’s not respecting their decision to choose what suits them best.
lmao saying scandinavians = russians.
there’s a reason your alphabet is called “cyrillic” because it might as well be f***ing hieroglyphs.
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My point was that a lot of people use “We cant pronounce your nicknames” as argument. Can they pronounce ÆØÅ then? Norwegian is my second language so it’s not a big problem for me but what about others?) So I still dont understand why only russians are separated. Why Spanish and French servers are better?
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Yes, it’s not hard to say aeoa. Much harder to say BNnbMca though, both in writing and in voice chat.
There are much worse names in cyrillic that are just impossible to make sense of, because the alphabet itself has characters that doesn’t resemble anything in the Roman alphabet. So your name is still on the “cute” side, compared to that.
i’m just looking into various aspect of merging battle pools… i didn’t say “yes” or “no”… but i think if russians are separated, other lang speaking players should be to… i if you don’t understand spanish or french or german… latin letters don’t make sense
You call Bnekpok or Aoeae is still understandable… another thing - russian mentality (sorry, im not nacionalist, i played a lot on russian realms… but i prefer EU servers/community), but bg pool - is different thing
I agree.
People’s choice of language type deserves to be respected. There are those who chose those because they simply don’t want to use English, or can’t use it. They deserve space where they can be comfortable doing all of the content, the same as everyone else.
To mix everyone together doesn’t respect that.
The game first started with realm-only matchmaking. Then came the battle groups, but none of the language types were mixed of the servers (Germans wasn’t being grouped up with English players, for example).
The game worked fine. Yes, it comes with minor inconveniences, but it doesn’t make the game unplayable.
Yet now everything is just a huge random mix of everything, and ignoring people’s choice of language types in servers.
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It’s too late, but there never should have been Russian servers in Classic to begin with. As there were never any in Vanilla.
They should have to play on EU servers if they want to be matched up with EU teams. Only fair balance.
Has nothing to do with being in the EU or not.
Norway, Iceland, Switzerland, and the United Kingdom are not in the EU and yet they play on European servers and make up a majority of my guild.
Yet now everything is just a huge random mix of everything, and ignoring people’s choice of language types in servers.
i play on EU server (migrated), even i understand many languages (at average level, not perfect, sorry for my english)… i think it would be fair to either merge bg of all servers or make local pools… imo
No. Already explained that several times in this thread.
Yes. Fully agree with that.
Well… i think it’s not right when only 1 lang. servers are separated
That may affect queues…
Just a note to add RE: Cyrillic alphabet, my family is English and Bulgarian. Bulgarians use Cyrillic and Latin and yet they play on the EU cluster and you don’t see them demanding a seperate server cluster.
If we could I bet majority would vote to have RU cluster cut off from cross-realm PVP…
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горящие жопы потенциального противника. это праздник какой то. отделите нас уже от этих русофобов лол
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There are comparatively very few people in the world who even knows the cyrillic alphabet and what the letters mean, compared to the Roman alphabet.
Thank you for showing how BG chats would look like if you were to be mixed in with the gigantic EU matchmaking pool while on the same team though.
Just don’t expect everyone to understand what you just said. This is the English forum. E-n-g-l-i-s-h, comprende? I’m sure you Russian realms have your own dedicated WoW forum that’s hosted by Blizzard.
By the way, your name using the Roman alphabet would look something like AXNrnNny. Just by going off of the very minimal of resemblance there is. Yes, cyrillic letters have very different pronunciations, but to expect the rest of Europe to accomodate to your tiny alphabet is beyond stupid.
AXNrnNny is how your name would be called out, if anyone would even try to.
Have fun trying to pronounce that.
Genuine question though, would you even understand people are talking to you if they try to address you by using that visual interpretation of your name, in an in-game chat? Either via voice chat or text chat, doesn’t matter.
By the way, to EVERYONE who doesn’t believe similar alphabets plays a big deal, then check out this thread:
If you truly believe that, then you wouldn’t have a problem with Persian symbols in people’s names and in BG chats and so on, RIGHT?
Kanji symbols, Chinese symbols, Korean symbols, Greek letters, the list goes ON AND ON.
If you truly believe there’s no problem with entirely different alphabets, then you’re obviously ok with all of these receiving language support in the game client for EU as well, right?
If you care so much about fair treatment, then I’d say it’s very unfair to discriminate against all of the other various alphabets that only very few people on this side of the globe can read, like the Persian alphabet for example.
So if you’re saying it isn’t right to exclude Russian realms for practical reasons, then obviously you also think the same for the Persian alphabet, right?
So on and so forth.
Sure, it isn’t practical to provide language support in the game client to so many different alphabets in a game where you work together in PvP and the ability to communicate with each other impacts heavily on teamwork and the enjoyment of the game itself, but BnEKnOK definitely thinks it’s not right to exclude them. Right?
It shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone that we in fact have a HUGE variety of multilinguals in the EU as a whole.
So there’s no reason to not allow them to use the alphabet they feel more comfortable with in their characters’ names, which is supposed to represent who they are, when things have already gone this far.
So to summarize, you either accept there is a problem with mixing different alphabet groups, like for example the Roman alphabet group and the cyrillic alphabet, or the cyrillic alphabet and the Persian alphabet -
or you accept there is no reason to exclude language support for any alphabet in the world for player names.
The language type chosen still determines the UI’s language and the NPC’s language used and so on, of course.
There is no inbetween here. You either recognize there are issues with unintelligible letters/symbols that doesn’t resemble the Roman alphabet enough for it to be sounded out normally for communications purposes, or you by default agree that they need to provide much more extensive language supports for player names and in-game text chats to enable all kinds of alphabets and symbols.
Imagine seeing a player named نام خودمانی in a BG. (copypasta from google translate)
The reason why you can’t say “only cyrillic is ok”, is because the same reason why cyrillic would be ok, can be applied to any other alphabet or symbols in the world, because Europe as a whole is a place with a lot of varied multilinguals. Why should cyrillic be ok, but not everything else? Anything that isn’t using the Roman alphabet as a base, creates problems when in a game like this if they aren’t separated properly.
The ability to premade larger than the limit in AV is just another reason why they should cut off the matchmaking pool entirely.
I almost broke my finger when scrolled down this wall of text. Did you expect me to read that thru? lol
This ain’t twitter, bro.
Real question, would you be ok with Blizzard providing language support to in-game text chats and to character names for other alphabets and symbols?
名称 what if a character was named like that, would you be ok with it on your own team, saying stuff like 去保卫掩体 in the text chat to you?
Or how about simply as opponents? Would you be ok with enemy players having names like خنده when you try to target call, or something? How would you target call vs. an entire team with symbols like that in their names?
How about in LFR? Would you be ok with people using symbols like that when talking to you, about how the tactics works for a boss or when assigning you to do something specific? Or in a mythic pug, talking about the same kind of stuff with you, but with those other symbols and alphabets?
See the problem yet?
What about کلڻ ? Or לאַכן? 웃음?
Great, isn’t it?
Because this is what it has been like for the EU matchmaking in PvP and PvE for YEARS now.
While the PvE examples very rarely happens, at the same time it’s not like it has never happened though. (The norm is just complete silence.)