And that’s exactly why they were excluded from getting grouped with their own faction in BGs. Because they refused to or just couldn’t speak English, thus hampering their team’s performance.
What’s going to be next? Are you going to ask me to find forum posts complaining about Alliance AV premades? Jesus having to hold people’s hand just because they don’t know anything about the subject at hand is so annoying:
How do you know the amount is “excessive”? That’s precisely you claiming it’s far above average.
And you could call it “trolling” but I’m just trying to get you to follow standards you yourself set.
That’s a post from 30 january, so back from the time where alliance could get 15 people in AV against 40 bloodthirsty hordies. And that was also fixed with the antipremade patch so it’s no longer an issue. Give ma an accurate example of the horde griefing the alliance cave for hours.
Because of the limited number of people with those ranks per server. Then there are psychological reasons why strangers, even ones using the same language, aren’t naturally the “best team ever” with perfect teamwork, you know? There are stark contrasts between the average and the overly coordinated in such regards.
Kind of like today’s EU and NA alliance, compared to before the hotfixes when they were organized.
Funny how that works, right?
Seems I hurt your feelings. I ampologaisu. Not.
When you’re a fool, you’re a fool. Sorry.
Why do people keep lying about this? The issue with games starting with empty teams was fixed before the BG numbers were hidden which prevented premading. It was 2 separate patches (although they were only a few weeks apart). It also doesn’t say that happened when the team was half empty.
It doesn’t say it happened when they were 40vs40 either. That’s a simple assumption cause otherwise a horde pug couldn’t harass them and even if the dude got killed several times just outside the cave, those were prolly rogue solo rankers who just needed the honor.
Griefing the cave doesn’t benefit the horde at all, not to mention you need a decent premade to actually do this for hours - which we both know, the horde is not capable of having. So again, bring me a proof and then we can talk.
Yes and sometimes that limited number of players are going to end up in the same game. You’d need to show me some data to prove that something strange is happening.
So because they’re more coordinated that’s supposed to mean something? Isn’t that the exact advice you Horde players give as to how to win AV? And when someone actually does it you cry to Blizzard to exclude them from your battlegroup.
And again I really can’t see why holding people to their own standards is supposed to be “trolling” or how it would say about any sort of “feelings”.
Right. It was an assumption like your “it was 15v40” was an assumption. Why wouldn’t it be possible? If half of the Alliance is afk anyway as you people say why wouldn’t this be possible?
It doesn’t benefit the Alliance either. It still happens. Getting camped at the cave proves precisely nothing.
Keep trolling. You only seem butthurt right now.
See, now you made a fatal mistake. You presume coordination means any and all kinds. There are differences to the amount of coordination feasible by perfect strangers, on average, compared to a premade exploiting the queue.
For example, the more details you include in instructions to perfect strangers, the less likely it becomes that they are going to follow it. So the more complicated the coordination becomes, the more unlikely it is done between strangers. Get it yet?
But yeah, have fun trolling.
I never said anything like this.
You seem to be very salty about the horde’s winratio which is absurd to me as well, but you can’t discuss with the facts. And the facts are all around you. The Russians have a premade discord for AV, they do the countdowns there to land into the same bg. They then organize griefing “events” to be the cause of a major outrage so they can later troll the forums. We had screenshots, videos and several people complaining about it here. I don’t know what else do you need to acknowledge it nor do I really care at this point.
I’m loving this. When someone does the exact same thing as you it’s suddeny trolling. No love it’s not - unless you were also trolling back then.
Ok now about this coordination level I’m really going to have to ask for some data. What metric are you using to determin what is and isn’t possible to achieve and how are you determining that something is over that threshold? How can you say that is also the case in games you aren’t a part of? It seems completely arbitrary to me.
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It’s not really the same thing when you’re making up win statistics not based on proper data, but on feelings. So when I poked holes at it, you try to take some pathetic “revenge” by saying the same about something which isn’t even comparable.
You’re just being petty right now. As I said, have fun trolling.
Videos of a few Russians talking in Russian aren’t exactly helpful to me as I can’t speak Russian. All I see is Horde being salty that someone is actually following their advice and coordinating to win in AV and are crying to Blizzard to yet again change the queue system because they occasionally have to actually fight for a win.
It kind of is the same thing though.
No. I’m not being petty. You made very substantial claims regarding group psychology and being able to gauge what is and isn’t possible my a random grouping of people so I’m asking for some elaboration on how you’re able to make them.
It isn’t. You’re making up specific statistics by pulling numbers out of nowhere and presuming it applies to everyone. I’m talking about fluid concepts. They’re not even close to similar. You’re just acting butthurt.
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Ok. And you made up what is above the average and what isn’t. In fact you took it a step further and claimed you’re able to accurately estimate whether something is possible by a group of random people or not. Still not seeing anything other than anecdotal evidence for it.
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I never said what is above average and what isn’t. I said when it is above average.
No. I spoke about probabilities. Probabilities aren’t definitive.
That’s the difference between fluid concepts and absolutes like you were foolishly relying on.
Weren’t you the one who said you’d read my post history? How did it go?
And don’t forget to check the regions other than EU and NA for perceived win statistics as well, ok?
Right. Basically saying you both know the average and that something is occuring above that average in games you have no data from.
And you made claims about those probablities that you’re unable to prove. Doesn’t really matter if you mention specific numbers or not.
I have gone through AV posts on the forum (as your history is of course private) and have found no such thing you claimed you said. Might have missed a few and if I have I’m sure you’ll provide an example but until you do I’m going to have to assume you were lying.
And again you have no grounds to make these demands when you yourself can’t follow them. Or are you just trolling?
You seem to have a hard time comprehending what I’m talking about.
I’m talking about each player’s perceived average. It’s kind of like trying to define normal. What is normal? What isn’t? It’s not really something you can define to begin with, except for points of commonality.
I never once said what average exactly means.
I never said what is likely and what isn’t in absolutes. I said the more complicated the coordination becomes, the more unlikely it was done by strangers. Other than that, it’s left up to each player’s own perception of what is and isn’t average.
It kinda does.
You can search on the name itself, you know?
You’re really acting butthurt.