PETITION:
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Allow quests that grant Conquest Points to not be included in the Conquest cap, so we can catch up to raiders faster.
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Deduct Conquest Points that were attained through quests from our current progress bar, thereby applying the aforementioned change to the weeks that have passed since season start as well.
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Reduce the Renown requirements for Rank 7 Honor gear to this week’s cap.
Upvote if you would like to see this happen.
Source material for reference:
PvE gear still miles better…? - PVP / Arenas - World of Warcraft Forums (blizzard.com)
TL;DR: We have all been capped at 15K for 2 weeks now with nothing to spend our honor on, we’re behind anywhere from 15-30 item levels, and we don’t even have more vers as we’d been promised.
A change is needed.
Some input from the top:
Unclipped approvals:
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Smexxin.
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Hansol.
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Wizkx.
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Dekel.
Should it ever go on record…
Blizzard has continuously ignored the pleas of this petition despite it skyrocketing into being one of the most popular threads in the history of the Arena forums just 4 days after its creation; with 349 approvals, including 90% of the pro PvP community (based on a 10-man sample size), and copious discussions that almost unanimously concluded its assertions to be justified.
After all was said and done, 197 honor gear came around at Renown 22, and the conquest cap had not been raised.
This has been a failure.
- Well aware of the fact that this appears melodramatic; I ask that you try to regard it as a dispassionate narration of the truth because that was the intention.
Thanks for your participation! 
Peace.
135 Likes
Agreed, something should be done. You shouldnt be punished by the pvp system in pvp matches for not doing more pve content.
25 Likes
I don’t get how you people can’t understand that you are not supposed to get PvP gear equal to people who do +10 or higher Mythic-Keys/Heroic raids if you don’t have any rating at all. And if you actually do get rating, you will also get some really good gear upgrades and a nice way to spend your Honor. I am constantly struggling to get enought Honor to upgrade my next item from the Conquest vendor, and pretty much all I do is Arena.
The Conquest vendor itself is fine as it is and a really, really good addition for PvP players. Tbh, I actually prefer our gearing system to the PvE one, since we can prioritize and cherry-pick our desired/missing items, without having to rely on RNG. If you want to get your weapon as soon as possible, you will without a doubt get it, and you also know when.
If you also factor in the Vault it gets even better, with the 3 options per week you will (at least for the first few weeks) pretty much always find an upgrade and if you are lucky, you can get your desired items even earlier. With the reset today, you can already get up to 5 Conquest items, which can be upgraded up to 226 (233 for weapons). Adding a 225+ Legendary, you can get to an average of 200 without a single PvE item, which is pretty fair imo. The chance that you will meet someone with an average higher than 210 is very small and a difference of <10 ilvl won’t be the main factor to winning or losing games. Tho it is a hella convenient one if you are just looking for excuses…
The only point I agree with is that we should be able to upgrade Honor-Gear to 197 earlier than Renown 22. Next week sounds fair to me.
8 Likes
As far as I know this season will last 4 months and considering a month is +/- 4 weeks we will get 8800-9900 conqusts during this time. Correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t think you can even get all pieces from these and you have to hope for good Vault drops.
7 Likes
Are you sure? When someone asked when the season is going to end on us forum people answered around 6month like in bfa.
But tbh you can’t just wait for being full conquest because you’ll never got the time to play arena anyway so I guess it’s do pve or don’t bother play in pvp at all.
When did we say we are supposed to get gear equal to M10 or HC Raids without rating?
I don’t get how you people can’t understand that you are not supposed to get PvP gear equal to people who do +10 or higher Mythic-Keys/Heroic raids if you don’t have any rating at all.
The issue is not being able to grind our gear due to timegating and not even having a vers lead over PvE players who can (via M+). Conquest cap should be around the 700-800s and R7 honor gear should be unlocked @ Renown 11.
4 Likes
I think that there is “end date” in the achievment if I’m right but as usual they might extend it so who knows. I mean mate PvP gear will overtake PvE players but when? Near the end of the season? Also it seems Blzzard wants to apply “gear solution” from PvP to PvE. Basically in PvE if you can’t clear the content when good players do it you just spend more time farming gear and then your overgear something to do it easier. It seems that it also applies to PvP nowadays. Just play more M+ and it’s easier for you.
3 Likes
750 would be fine already I think but Blizzard has to favour PvE players a bit so in their opinion it’s the way to make PvP more “engaging” for PvE players so it has higher participation. What Blizzard doesn’t understand it has higher participation not because it’s fun but because PvE players can abuse it now. There is no way to be pure PvP player at this moment.
4 Likes
Every single conquest point item should be 550 CP so that you get a guaranteed item of choice every single week with a chance of another one in the vault. Yes, also the weapon.
10 Likes
The thing is, I agree with the proposals in this petition - but Blizzard will never do it as it would force PvErs to do more PvP.
The only solution is PvP Power, PvP Resilience or PvP iLvLs.
8 Likes
Everyone said it in beta, in prepatch but no feedback was noticed.
7 Likes
Yeah, obviously you cannot compete without farming high Mythic-Keys and doing Mythic raids. No chance at all to break even 1.8 unless you have ilvl 200+. I have no idea what you guys are talking about.
I consider myself a “pure” PvP player (as in I have 2 PvE items in total, both from M0 last week due to the quest, which was a freeby tbh) and I simply cannot agree with this, especially if I compare it to what we had to deal with in BfA (I had to run 70+% PvE gear in S4…). Sure, a dedicated PvP stat would be the best solution, but what we have right now is a very good alternative.
The thing is, I agree with the proposals in this petition - but Blizzard will never do it as it would force PvErs to do more PvP.
The only solution is PvP Power, PvP Resilience or PvP iLvLs.
The current situation is no better - PvPers are “forced” to do PvE, atleast in the same way you intended it.
3 Likes
Yeah, obviously you cannot compete without farming high Mythic-Keys and doing Mythic raids. No chance at all to break even 1.8 unless you have ilvl 200+. I have no idea what you guys are talking about.
I consider myself a “pure” PvP player (as in I have 2 PvE items in total, both from M0 last week due to the quest, which was a freeby tbh) and I simply cannot agree with this, especially if I compare it to what we had to deal with in BfA (I had to run 70+% PvE gear in S4…). Sure, a dedicated PvP stat would be the best solution, but what we have right now is a very good alternative.
Not when PvE players have more of that stat. BfA is no standard to compete with.
4 Likes
1st week it was easy but I couldn’t play much that week because Warrior that play with us had to do overtimes at work because the company he worked for was closed before due to lockdown. Basically 1st week we crashed enemies and now you play vs 204-210 ilvl players - in some comps it doesn’t really matter if you outplay enemy as damage basically overwhelm you (I mean meelecleve vs meelecleave for example). Also Warrior that plays with me didn’t forget how to play in 1 week and from being top damage he is suddenly dealing 3/4 damage of these players that don’t even interrupt.
3 Likes
Conquest points/cap already increasing by rating would be a great change.
8 Likes
Definitely interesting dude.
Conquest points already increasing by rating would be a great change.
3 Likes
Ah OK I didn’t know about that. But yes it seems like we should all stop Qing and gear as much as we can in pve to climb after :s
