PvP premades, boosters, bots, GDKP

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So basically every aspect of the game is being ruined by these guys, it’s wonderful.

PvP is ruined by premades , it still boggles my mind that Blizzard haven’t taken any action against this in 4 YEARS.
How is it fair to match a 10 man organized premade group using discord, with the perfect amount of healers, a druid to carry the flag, every players with their bags full of consumes and so on … against a random team of unorganized casual players that just queue for fun.

This is bonkers !

There is not a single competitive PvP game I can think of that’d allow this kind of stuff to happen.
I queued 3 battlegrounds today, I /afk out the 3 times because I got matched against premades that abolutely obliterated our team within the first 2 minutes… this is ridiculous.

So basically, PvP is made unplayable by these guys, great.

Farming is ruined by bots, I can’t farm the open world content either because every mats is being heavily farmed by bots, I did a full loop of thousand needles at 4:00 am , and only found 2 iron deposits , at 4:00 am !!! awesome.

Raiding, raiding is being ruined by GDKPs, for instance I meant to join a casual BWL PUG for the crossbow from Chromagus, the raid laider told me “sure, bring at least 10k gold”

10 000 GOLD hahahaha

PARDON ME ???

And leveling is being ruined by boosters , which on top of spamming the /world channel all days long with their ads making it completely unreadable for everyone else, funnel the vast majority of levelers into their dungeon group, where they can afk from Deadmines up to Zul Gurub so basically from level 14-ish up to 60.

This results in less open world interactions during the leveling, probabilities to get a full 5-man group for standard dungeon runs are diminished , and the world just straight up has less people than it should , since many of them are just instancied from lvl 15 to 60.

The game on itself is obviously wonderful, this is just sad that every aspect of it is being heavily spoiled by some min max abusers or even worse , downright cheaters.

Will Blizzard do anything about this ?
No, and that’s the saddest part about it, there’s no hope that any of this will ever be fixed… :frowning_face:

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Yes. Premades should be gone. I don’t like it neither.

Bots should be banned by an ‘active’ blizzard team just as in 2005.

GDKP: I don’t see what your going to do about this one. I don’t see how you can ban this.

Booster problem can be solved by putting a time limit for 1 or 2 dungeons per hour. After 2? Lock-out.

Blizzard does not take an active role in forums anymore unfortunately. The support department of blizzard has been destroyed. It’s very essence is gone.

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In my experience bots do not really farm the open world much, bots farm dungeons.
Like I typically farm ~a thousand foils or so each month, all of it for personal use. But yea I dont see much botting, some ofc but not a lot.

In terms of pvp.
Generally you have between 1-2 premades running on each side; with one being more plebmade than the other. Always been like that, those are your current rankers. So definitely not all premades, you do get pug v pug games. And those premades are of quite variable quality. There are some decent returning players ofc, but also a few gen 20000 rankers that you just look at them play and wonder what on earth this is supposed to be. Sad part is those actually hit r14 eventually, then you fight them and they just stand there/ give up. Not that they wont fight, they simply dont know how to. So some of the prems can be very beatable for pugs.

Then av weekends tends to be only pugs, horde never premades there. Ally coordinates sometimes, but typically only after like losing all weekend.

As for consumables, well yes. That is pvp in vanilla. It is what to expect, that is the game, very much a consume war. Whippers lips laps faps nades sappers and what have you; are like baked in class abilities to pvp players.

Gdkps sucks alot tho I agree. But you dont have to do them.
I never have, in any fashion and I never will. Join Sr runs, create Sr runs. Though if you want to raid 40mans with this climate you pretty much need to join or form a raiding guild.

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Spot on post, you pretty much nailed it a 100% imo.

I had all my characters deleted by blizzard so I recently had to start all over and leveled two new characters, one horde and one alliance. And I must admit I recently came to realize that this game will never again be anything like what it used to be and the main reason is because of the playerbase.

Vanilla used to be all about adventure, teamwork, exploring, the journey and having fun.
Now it´s swipe your Visa/Mastercard until you have bought lvl 60 and full bis-gear and never ever spend 10 sec to help anyone else.

I agree with your post regarding premade, boosters, bots, GDKP 100%. But I would also like to add the attitude or culture of the playerbase to the list.

The community is generally extremely degenerate, most people seem to spend all their energy on griefing others, even same faction members. Not rarely at all do people even go out of their way just to grief others. And I have seen Warmane so I´m pretty hardened.

It made me quite sad to realize that we have squandered this great game and opportunity. I have no hope at all of this game ever being great again since the problem is mainly player-driven. The old school gamers is a dying breed and I don´t think we can “patch” away the younger generations entitled and toxic behaviour.

At first I thought you could enjoy it as “singleplayer” and just level some alts and enjoy atleast a part of vanilla but the staggering amount of 60s ganking in all lowlevel zones is just insane. I suppose this could be an alternative on a PVE-cluster though.

But I realized I´d rather not play at all than be a part of this. I was quite upset that Blizzard deleted all my characters at first but I suppose it was a blessning in disguise. It will make it easier to distance my self from vanilla (edit: official servers).

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other people getting dungeon boosted doesn`t affect you in any way

other people doing gdkps doesn`t affect you in any way

nothing is stopping you from running a premade in bgs

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Que with friends on discord
Join an Guild for own Raids and at last the PvE Cluster and all your problems are gone

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I think you repeat this every morning in front of the mirror before you turn on your PC.
You seem to have forgotten we’re playing an MMO, not a Signel RPG, and (I’m going to shoot) like 90% of the community use gdkp/boost who do you want to play with?
It’s like going to a party where everyone is drunk as hell and you’re the only sober person. Will you have fun?
Yes, try to convince yourself of it. Maybe youre fooling yourself this time.

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I`m not raiding with gdkp, other people doing so has no affect on me.

I`m level 60, other people getting dungeon boosted does not affect me in any way

I can put together my own premade if I want to pvp.

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What about try again on HC servers, extra challenge added and no-griefing rules in place?

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you are correct as far as the match-up unfairness is concerned. BUT it is a major part of the game to put together and maintain a premade. It is actually the most social interaction you will have in WoW. It would be way better if premade-vs-premade matches were priortized I agree

5 mins game → 1 Mark of Honor is not too bad of a deal

Fully agree. This may well be the end of WoW ERA once ppl stop doing SR raids

Putting all this together, PVP is essentially pay-to-win, where you pay for your equip and then find your way into an unstoppable premade. For example, the difference between a (RMT) AQ40 Warri and a legit leveller in blues/greens/some purples is night and day. On top, legit people cant blow 100g per WSG on consumes (FAP at 6g a pop now)

Having said this, i have some hope that the pvp system revamp will alleviate the pressure for premades somewhat. After all you can slowly grind your way to 14 if you want to do so, no real need for max honor/time anymore. unless, of course, the in-rank decay turns out to be just as brutal as the previous overall-decay

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Yeh ur kinda right on this one…

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Do as I did whenever I started on Era about half a year ago. Find a guild and do regular raids, either with loot council or SR. I still see lot of pug raids in trade chat that is doing SR. Or, if you want you can always also just make a pug raid yourself.

Yeah for sure, bots are a cancer to the game and always have been. There was a banwave last weekend but as expected, alot of them are back to farming I usually camp them outside stratholme entrance). From what I’ve heard, the bots farming in open world are flying under ground to avoid getting attacked on pvp servers, and even teleporting to the different spots where herb / mining nodes appear. Which is probably why only found 2 iron deposits even at 4 am. Feels like the anti cheat in the current classic is worse than what it was in 2004-2005. Maybe its because there was actual ingame GMs back then, unlike nowadays.

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Agreed, how DARE people have friends they wanna play with?

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Tbh I think it’s worth going to Arathi Highlands for iron instead of Thousand Needles but the spawn rates are generally low on iron I found and even if there is one other person there besides you farming, you’ll have a tough time. I’m farming mats to level Blacksmithing atm and have encountered a few bots while farming but I just report, move on and either go to another zone or do something else and try later. But it’s only iron and mithril I have this issue with, yesterday I farmed for 2 hours in Un’Goro and got 400 Thorium, I do play on a high pop server also.

Also haven’t had much issues finding groups to do dungeons with across all levels. Idk if its the time of day you play, your server but maybe find a casual guild to level in or join the Discord for your server and look there for groups. If others want to rush and be boosted that’s their choice, I like to be a bit slower, quest, explore etc but them being boosted doesn’t impact or bother me.

As for GDKP I do admit I don’t like the idea of it and I haven’t raided outside of a guild in Classic/TBC/Wrath because of that but if I want to raid outside of that environment I would just make my own PUG and use master loot to distribute loot without GDKP. I think there are a lot of people who would love to join a group that doesn’t use GDKP.

Sometimes you have to be proactive and help yourself, not expect the world to change around you because you don’t like something.

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the things is that if you dont need any item from a particular raid, you have very little incentive to join. With GDKP you always get something out of it. So in principle I think GDKP is ok-ish.

The problem are that bots that generate all this gold that is then bought IRL and laundered in GDKP raids.

this inflation has been going on for a while. we are now at a leverl where ony head goes for 1k-1.5k , about 3x of what it was one months ago

Still, Blizzard seems fast asleep and unwilling to communicate their point of view or approach to this problem

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I think the issue I have is that you need gold to join in the first place and not everyone has the time, knows how to make gold in WoW or has the financial stability IRL to buy it.
I have no issues with farming gold and I mostly use my downtime in WoW to make gold but not everyone is the same and I feel like it really restricts the availability of content for some.

I don’t have a solution or even any alternative though. So long as the option to externally buy gold is there, people who can/want to will always use it.

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the solution is anti-cheat software. It has been around for a decade and will eliminate all bots immediatly. if this is too difficult to add to the wow ERA code base, hire some GMs to review reports. ATM my impression is that reports dont do squat

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This would require Blizzard actually wanting to eliminate bots. Since they are making alot of money of these accounts Blizzard would never act against them in any meaningful way. Sure they ban a small percentage every now and then but that’s just to keep the facade up. The integrity of their game is obviously worth less to them than the $ from bot-farmers.

I mean let’s be serious, if you have thousands of characters who have farmed a dungeon 24/7 with no breaks since they where created it would be pretty safe to assume it isn’t a real player… It’s not hard to spot them.

And since Blizzard love the bots and the $ they generate, the real solution would be to kill off the demand. That would require that the playerbase stopped buying max lvl and bis gear with their visa-card but these new generation gamers cba to play the game. And so here we are… Stuck with a degenerate culture and bot-infested game.

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its fine for you to assume that. I do not agree. My assumption is that any mature company looking beyond the next quarter has a massive interest to get rid of bots. No amount of short term subscription fee will make up for hte loss of integrity of having destroyed an iconic game and long-term renvenue attached to that brand

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And what does Blizzard’s actions or rather lack thereof tell you? :wink:

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