Lets just believe what we want to believe okay?
Yes Jesus is a son of GOD, but also a GOD.
First rule of Knowledge - do not speak about it with those who are not interested and does not believe.
Accept my apologies because i am still learning. 
About highelves, they does not evolved, they were created. Also, Blizzard can change lore to whatever they want, but that does not necessarily mean it is true.
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This thread is starting to derail heavily. But here’s a piece of wisdom for you from an orthodox. Don’t pretend to understand something you don’t have the ability to understand. Like God. And Jesus isn’t a son of God. He is THE son of God. We don’t understand God, let’s not pretend we understand Jesus. All a christian can do is follow the word.
Now on subject - no more belf cloning.
sorry to burst your bubble, but human race have capability to understand everything.
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Nope. Sorry. You are wrong. The High Elves were originally the Highborne Caste of the Kaldorei. The Kaldorei were originally Dark Trolls, Thats Blizzard’s lore. They write the game. That is -always- how they came to be, and it still is how they came to be. If they suddenly change the lore tomorrow then thats their perogative, but the lore of the High Elves has up to this very moment of typing been that they evolved from Trolls. I mean its not even an in game secret either, when the Elven armies are drawn up at the gates of Suramar it is the prank that the Blood Elf forces play on the Night Elves. The Night Elf armies release loads of chickens in the Blood Elf encampment with reference to “We thought you might need some more mounts” so basically dissing Hawkstriders, and the Blood Elves start leaving captured Troll artefacts and Tiki masks in the Night Elf camp going “We wouldn’t want you to forget your ancestors”
Its a weird Diss for the Blood Elves to make, as any of them of adult age, would have been born as a High Elf, and therefore their -own- ancestors would have been those elves exiled from Kalimdor, who were originally Kaldorei, who were originally Trolls.
Weirdly the Belves are dissing themselves in that, because sure, the Kaldorei are closer to the Dark Troll stage of evolution than the High/Blood Elves are, but still, they came from the same place!
They can not believe in Evolution as much as they like In real life, as long as they are never in a position of education that is not going to harm anyone, but what I am saying is that in the game setting we are discussing, they are simply incorrect, in assuming the High Elves appeared out of nowhere, fully formed. I mean for goodness sake, it is even -described- how they changed during their exile to the Eastern Kingdoms…
Thats not a rule.
You don’t have to apologise to me, you haven’t harmed or wronged me in any way, you can believe what you like, I was just…surprised to be discussing with someone who genuinely does not believe in the theory of Evolution. It would be like having a conversation and someone suddenly going “But of course as we know the Earth is flat…” It would be a Jaw drops moment…
That.
I mean that has always been a tenet of Faith, that God is not understandable to mortal minds, that it is Unknowable. Because if we -know- something, then it doesn’t require Faith at all, which is the very essence of religion.
I -know- if I put my dinner on a table, it will stay on the table. I don’t need to have faith in that. I don’t need to ‘Believe’ in tables…(Unless I have a particularly energetic cat, because they always object to things being on tables) I do not however -know- what happens to us after death, so I either just think “Eh, nothing happens, you’re just dead” or I place faith in a religion, which then tells me what happens to us after death. I don’t have any proof of that, and nor does a Priest, Vicar, Rabbi, Imam, Guru, Druid or Godi, because that’s the essence of Religion. It doesn’t need direct proof and science, there has to be an element of -Faith-, and Faith means trusting in things you cannot -know-.
Back on topic however…
More neutral hair colours for the Void Elves would be fine, I reckon, throw in a few of the Blood Elf hairstyles, but not all of them, so that they can actually look like High Elves properly.
I don’t even care -that- much about the Paladin thing. I mean Paladins make zero sense for Void Elves, they blatantly use the diametrically opposing Power, and whilst High Elf Paladins did exist, they were rare. Paladins (or rather Blood Knights) were always more a Blood Elf thing, as they famously ‘weaponised’ the idea in the same way that humans and Dwarves (and taking Vindicators as being similar to Paladins but not exactly the same) the Draenai did.
A Void Elf Paladin makes no sense.
Someone using a Void Elf with the High Elf skin roleplaying as a High Elf Paladin however can make sense.
Changing the racial name to ‘High Elf’ rather than Void Elf is just silly. It only makes a difference if you are a roleplayer, and if you are a roleplayer you don’t -care- what the racial name says on your screen, it simply doesn’t matter, if you look like a High Elf, call yourself a High Elf and act like a High Elf, then you are a High Elf. Its that simple.
The problem there, is that for giving Paladins to Void Elves (so that people can play High Elven Paladins) you would then have to give an extra class to -every- other Allied race. Thats a lot of work…
There is nothing stopping someone who wants to roleplay as a High Elf Paladin from rolling a Void Elf Warrior, using the High Elf skins and calling themselves a Paladin, because Roleplay is about imagination.
Sorry to burst yours, but by definition we do not. Neither Religion nor Science means we know everything. Both evolve and change to encompass new advances in thought.
Religion -needs- faith, Faith is putting your…well…your Faith in things that are not necessarily Understandable, and even Science cannot tell us the truth of the universe, it can only tell us what we know up to our current point in scientific knowledge. Science doesn’t tell us everything, it tells us everything we know -so far-.
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Sorry to burst everyone’s bubble let people ask what they want. I mean at the end of the day we will see what blizzard will do. Thats why I am asking for High elves and blood elf Customization's - #50 by Syleenia-argent-dawn to make everyone happy :3
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Not even close. We think we understand things but what we really do is apply our limited knowledge and much limited understanding to something that we haven’t even begun to comprehend. I’m guessing the people who lived thousands of years ago thought they could understand everything too, but they thought the earth was flat. So we can barely understand each other I’m not sure how you think we understand everything.
i said humans have capability to understand everything, not that they understand everything.
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And I’m telling you we lack the self understanding to know our capabilities.
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I’m not even sure of that. Our concept of what we ‘Understand’ constantly changes, and we are, for better or ill, very ill equipped to deal with change. Rather, we -can- adapt to change, but it takes time, its not an instant click of the fingers type thing.
More importantly, we don’t -know- everything yet. We likely never will, thats just part of the human condition, we are as a species constantly learning new things and having to change our perceptions as we do.
Take this conversation. I have no doubt that it is being held with people from varying countries. That would have simply been impossible when I was a teenager, or rather, would have involved multiple expensive phonecalls, letters sent internationally and so on.
Do we understand the Internet? Kinda, yeah, it was a human invention after all (The UK says “You’re welcome, world” ) but we don’t yet understand all its ramifications. How can we? It constantly changes.
I don’t think we do have the capability to understand everything, and moreover I don’t think it would be good for us if we -did- have that capability.
Imagine if tomorrow we all suddenly came to the realisation that everything we understood about the Universe was -ALL- there was to know.
That would be a world ending event for the Species.
If we knew -Everything- then religion would collapse, Science would become redundant, education would falter and we would simply stop trying to advance ourselves, because what would be the point, we already know it all?
The whole history of humanity has been in trying to understand the world and how things work, that is the nature of us, we are inquisitive, thinking beings. If we suddenly realised that “Nope, we’ve reached the cut off point, there is nothing new to research, learn or believe in” then as a species we would stagnate and degenerate, in the same way that a muscle that is not used will atrophy, so too would our minds.
Thing is, whilst we can -understand- many things, we -can’t- understand everything.
I mean what you describe there is the death of religion.
The instant we Understand ‘God’ (whether singular or plural) we -become- God. We each have then a perfect and complete understanding and so there is no need for ‘God’ as a concept, because we would understand everything they know, and there is no need for Faith anymore.
We -need- wonder in our lives, else they are meaningless, we can look at a rainbow and know the science behind it, but still look at it and go “Awww, thats pretty”
We’re very smart, but we can’t -know- everything, and I pray to the Gods that we never -do- know everything, because that would be the end of us.
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i mean…
There is one only difference between God and human- do you know it?
God knows he is THE GOD, human does not.
I’d say there are actually quite a few, assuming we’re talking about the Abrahamic God here, and not the Gods with Elephant heads, or antlers, or the ones with multiple arms and more weapons than a Wal-Mart…
How do you know? Did you ask them?
(That is kinda my point. What you are saying is an article of faith, it is not -Knowledge- For all you know ‘God’ might just be like “Wow, I can do cool stuff, or I can just mess around with burning bushes and internecine wars, and punishing the good and the wicked alike without explaining myself”
Kind of like a kid deciding which ants to squash whilst observing an ant nest.
You don’t -know- what God knows. Thats the point of religion!
Guys come on stop this -.-
It’s written in holy scriptures. 
live blizzard stream 18:45 EET, about updates in Shadowland expansion…Maybe we will get some update on highelves?
I highly doubt it tbh.
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Seems pretty unlikely. What there -might- be are some updates on customisation for Allied races, including Void Elves, which will better allow people to roleplay as a High Elf?
Hairstyles and hair colours would be a good start. A Good start and a good finish. Thats all it actually needs.
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Meh give them some feather jewelry and some tattoos and maybe make the void form a spell.
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Keep Entropic Embrace and Spatial Rift as they are, but add in an option to visually change them into looking like they’re arcane based. There’s no need to alter the void elves away from their original concept even though elements of high elven appearance is thrown into the mix. This, however, is secondary, and far less important than skin and hair.
Without added hair colours (and styles) to match the skin tones - browns, blacks, reds and blondes, the whole effort of adding to the void elves will have been pointless from a perspective of wating to be able to play as a high elf. Also, lorewise, it wouldn’t make sense not to add proper high elven hair.
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Except you’re not playing a High Elf you know.
Maybe it’s time to come to terms with that instead of turning this Alliance allied race into a superior version of a core Horde race.
Nope. Been working towards getting playable high elves for a while now, and will keep on doing so until it’s done or until I quit playing. For now, though, I enjoy the game, and will keep on this topic.
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