Quest "Bazil Thredd" - Disgusting Hidden Ideology

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Hello fellow players. I would like to bring into your attention this one very troublesome quest in this new game called Warcraft: Classic. The name of the quest is called “Bazil Thredd” and the only way you get to know of it, is if you invest significant amount of time played into the game, so the dangers of it are not immediately obvious.

In any way, let me first show you the entire quest description here, so you can see what I can see:

"VanCleef and I were members of the Stonemasons Guild. Our main project was to rebuild Stormwind after the War.

When we had finished our duties, we were cheated. The nobles refused to pay us for our work. Some of the more senior of the Stonemasons were offered governmental jobs, but VanCleef refused it out of loyalty to all the Stonemasons. He led a riot and left the city, swearing revenge.

His lieutenant, Bazil Thredd, might know more about VanCleef’s plans. He’s being held prisoner in the Stockade. "

This is obvious pro-capitalist propaganda, meant to suppress the working class of the united world. It is the perfect example, coming from the capitalist point of view; The working class (Stonemasons) can be exploited to no end by the capitalists (the nobles), because weak-willed proletariat betray their brothers for short-term gain (“Some of the more senior of the Stonemasons were offered governmental jobs”).

Meanwhile, VanCleef, the actual hero of the game, refused to sellout for personal benefit, which is exactly what we need in the modern world, but does this game allow us to side with him?! No! This is exactly what is wrong with the current world, we are not given the choice, just like there is no option for buying a more ethnically positive phone than an iPhone!

I ask nothing more than a possible rewriting of this questline! Not for myself, but for the greater good! People should have their ability to voice their ideology, to side with VanCleef and take the war to the corrupt nobles of Stormwind and the house of Wrynn! What have the nobles given us anyway? Nothing but endless war with orcs and inability to exist with other races in Eastern Kingdom! What is the difference between a murloc worker and human worker anyway? Oh yeah, the human worker is sent to kill the murloc worker by the human noble!

Please consider this carefully, Blizzard. Specially in the political state of the current world, maybe not all of the features of some 15+ old game should be implemented as they are, just because some people have some misguided nostalgia from their uneducated teenage years.

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I am undecided if you are the best troll post I’ve seen in ages or genuinely that stupid.
Kudos, you have achieved peak troll status.

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I think it’s a troll post.

A good one though, it was certainly enjoyable to read.

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I would have you know, I am a Night Elf, not a Troll.

I selected Night Elf as my race to play my main as, because from the race description (I am not implying that any other race would be unable to live culturally as Night Elves, I just wanted to identify as one). However, I came to find out they had some hideously repulsive ideologies that can only be described as ultra-nationalistic, so I decided to go quest in the Eastern Kingdoms.

It was at first an innocent adventure; After all, it said “Eastern KingdomS”, with a plural; Maybe the KingdomS would a way to co-exist, without the endless need for petty differences to fight over?

Well, it turns out I was wrong.

However, you might be onto something here. Maybe I should choose troll. Maybe the more “primitive” races are not burdened by these ideologies and mentalities of the more “civilized” races of Alliance, which will inevitably lead to corruption, nationalism and racism.

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Gr8 b8 m8. I r8 8/8.

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Nice. Also, reroll Horde, so you don’t support capitalism!

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So, basically, those rogues flagged PvP, jumping around at the Deadmines entrance are VanCleef sympathizers?
Now I understand. :slight_smile:

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I am not fully aware of what these previous replies have to do with anything of the topic at hand. Some of them seem just gibberish, while some of them contain words that are understandable within the context of the English grammar & lexicon, but hold very little meaning within them.

Please try to stay on topic. This is a serious issue to discuss, for the future of not only this game, but gaming in general. I hope Blizzard is big enough today to take this into consideration.

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yes i want to be friendly with defias and fight those who enter the deadmines

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“Disgusting Ideology” “Capitalism” - pick one, you can’t have both.

As for achieving freedom of choice which you obviously want, free market capitalism is the only way. Socialism and all it entails is vile, disgusting and grossly economically illiterate.

Helicopter now.

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You wanna rewrite a quest line that teaches people about the evils of capitalism? :open_mouth:

Like… eh… nope. As a player you’re working for the feudal/proto-capitalist establishment. You’re not gonna be a hero as a revolutionary. Comrade Lenin was not a hero to the Czar, after all.

Btw: it’s just like any players who sympathise with alt-right or whatever don’t have a mechanic to join what many see as their “actual heroes of the game”: the Scarlet Crusade.

(what’s depressing, though, is that the fine folks from the Syndicate are actually joinable in the game… but lack any quests :frowning: )

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You can like…decline the quest in protest, take your service over to Irongforge to help put down the invasion of Gnomeregan. You will be the hero we have waited for.

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As I hate to bring politics into the game.
You have no clue what so socialism means, capitalism is vile in every way.

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Actually if you get the corrupted ashbringer, you become friendly with the scarlets.

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Try opening a book kid.

Capitalism is economic freedom, simpliciter. It’s morally inert.

Socialism (which is indeed vile) is state or planning board direction of economic affairs that fails catastrophically due to the knowledge problem (do you know what that is kid?), leading inexorably to its resultant failure to efficiently allocate resources. It also destroys individual freedoms which is profoundly damaging.

Try again.

There’s an economist named F.A. Hayek, I suggest you read his books “The Road to Serfdom” and “The Fatal Conceit”. I’d suggest his other works, but I reckon that at your stage of delusion they’d be too much for you. Thomas Sowell has a great work called “Basic Economics” which might be a better starting point.

Regards

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Congratulations you described communism, which is not the same.

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Except it is. How does socialism achieve its ends absent state or coercive planning board direction of economic affairs? News flash - it can’t. You cannot force people to follow it’s rules. Whatever moniker you put in front of socialism, democratic, etc., it results in the same failure due to it’s categorical failure to be able to rationally calculate prices, and hence allocate resources efficiently.

0.5/10 for your effort, 0/10 for your knowledge.

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Bazil Thredd didn’t kill himself.

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Actual hero??? Thrall was first slave to a orc crazy person, escaped, was slave to fight to death by HUMAN(ally) then freed him self and went to new land, united all races hated by ally and formed a horde based on love and friendship and u come here talking about human bullcrap? Horde dont care about ur nobles we have spikes, food and roof over all heads and we like it. Thrall for life.

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Actually Thrall was freed by a human peasent named Taretha. Taretha was beheaded for freeing him.