Raid or DIE again

[Heavenseeker-silvermoon]

What if I called PvP a mini-game?

[Хмв-soulflayer]

Will be its fun for you? If not, there is will be no reason to spent so many time in 2 games to raid.

[Kierkegard-pozzo-delleternità]

@Shockojambo-kazzak

You can still play your side minigame for pushing raiting that is not even implemented in the game but you get it from 3rd party web site
Good job to Blizzard,finnaly listening to proper players and not casuals that want items to drop off the sky

I mean isn’t this a bit contradictory?
Casual players are probably not interested in Rio numbers, while top M+ pusher do it for pushing the highest keys and not really for the score.

And top m+ pusher probably raid M anyway so they get the best gear.

Also i dont really understand how spending a night pushing high M+ is different than bashing your head against the same boss until it goes down.

[Ishayoe-frostmane (Ishayoe)]

@Хмв-soulflayer

Its broke nothing in Legion, coz u have legendaries + sets thats connot be replaced. The place for M+ gear was so little. Thats was content for alts and M+ tryhard pushers.

It was an infinite and very fast source of Artifact Power - and those other items were quite powerful.

@Furyeclipser-kazzak

You do realize that you need to +3 in order for four items to drop ?
And m15 aint joke when new raid opens.

In Shadowlands even less drops. But it doesn’t matter because you can just run it endlessly. The argument is about lockouts.

And M+ 15 isn’t that hard even when the raid opens. We were smashing through them after just a few days with each tier.

And yeah, we’re mythic raiders from the previous tier so I guess there’s that, but still… don’t overstate your case.

@Lilura-kilrogg

Can he? Are you sure? Have you done the maths on this one?
You get a single piece of loot from the end chest, across five people. There’s on average four bosses in each dungeon, and if SL follows BFA each boss will have about 2-3 possible drops for a spec.
That’s 8-12 possible drops per person in a single dungeon, some of which may be utter trash. Some may only be minor upgrades, maybe 2 of them genuine leaps.
And only one person gets a chance at any of those; even if they can trade it, they may not be in a group with someone who needs what they got.
Plus, early on in the patch you can’t easily farm 15s anyways, and so on and so on.

I think you’re grossly overestimating the ‘ease’ of gearing up from Keystones with how they work in Shaowlands.

You’re confusing wall time and play time. Simple as that.

[Хмв-soulflayer]

@Ishayoe-frostmane

It was an infinite and very fast source of Artifact Power - and those other items were quite powerful.

In the beggining and for the TOP guilds, who lived in M+ to prepare WFirst.

[Lilura-kilrogg (Lilura)]

@Ishayoe-frostmane

You’re confusing wall time and play time. Simple as that.

The hell does that even mean?
You’re complaining that people can gear up in keystones quicker than they can in heroics. I’m pointing out that unless they sink an ungodly amount of time into keystones, which would be the equivalent of running a heroic raid numerous times over, they can’t gear quicker than in raids.
So what does your distinction matter?

[Heavenseeker-silvermoon]

I feel 8.3 really skewed how difficult people view Mythic+ as.

[Ludidokttor-sylvanas (Ludidokttor)]

so how many drops will be?

[Kierkegard-pozzo-delleternità]

@Lilura-kilrogg

So what does your distinction matter?

The distinction matter because time spent playing does not mean same focus is needed.

If someone fish for 10 hour straight he will never drop a piece of Mythic loot. Because even if the time invested is big, the focus needed is super low.

Plus raid is locked, you can’t farm HC raids 10 times a week with the same character.

[Ishayoe-frostmane (Ishayoe)]

@Хмв-soulflayer

In the beggining and for the TOP guilds, who lived in M+ to prepare WFirst.

Nah, it was happening further down the ladder, too.

@Lilura-kilrogg

The hell does that even mean?

It means what it says.

Wall time is the amount of time the clock ticks, like a clock on the wall.
Play time is how much you need to play.

Lockouts locks based on wall time.
Farming locks based on play time.

So yes, they’d need to put it an ungodly amount of time - but they can do it - and that, in a nutshell, is the problem I’m pointing out.

By the way, if you’re confused about what a word means, you can use Google to look it up. Getting fed up with this. Good day.
https://www.google.com/search?q=wall+time

[Shumensko-azjolnerub (Shumensko)]

one
/10 chars

[Furyeclipser-kazzak]

Not sure exactly ,but it was on wowhead few weeks ago.

[Furyeclipser-kazzak]

one even if +3?

[Хмв-soulflayer]

@Ishayoe-frostmane

Nah, it was happening further down the ladder, too.

Did u spam islands hardly in BFA too? Coz there is such the same if u spam M+ in Legion.

[Shumensko-azjolnerub (Shumensko)]

yes, at least that’s the last thing I saw:
https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/shadowlands-mythic-plus-season-1-guide

2. Loot Changes

The End-of-Run chests in Mythic+ will only reward a single piece of gear at the end of each run in Shadowlands

[Furyeclipser-kazzak]

hahaha only one item and below hc raid .no comment !

[Lilura-kilrogg (Lilura)]

@Kierkegard-pozzo-delleternità

The distinction matter because time spent playing does not mean same focus is needed.

If someone fish for 10 hour straight he will never drop a piece of Mythic loot. Because even if the time invested is big, the focus needed is super low.

I’m sorry, are you really comparing running keystones to fishing?

[Хмв-soulflayer]

@Shumensko-azjolnerub

The End-of-Run chests in Mythic+ will only reward a single piece of gear at the end of each run in Shadowlands

On the whole grp? Oh lol, M+ literally dead in SL.

[Ishayoe-frostmane (Ishayoe)]

@Хмв-soulflayer

Did u spam islands hardly in BFA too? Coz there is such the same if u spam M+ in Legion.

I did. We all spammed an ungodly and horrific amount of islands.

One person, who doesn’t have a job because he’s got ADD, played islands so much it became a literal health hazard. He’s also got rank 14 from vanilla - go figure… x’D

And yes, I hate islands. I hate them hate them hate them

[Kierkegard-pozzo-delleternità]

@Lilura-kilrogg

I’m sorry, are you really comparing running keystones to fishing?

I wanted to specify “i am not comparing keystones to fishing” but I had faith you would understand that i was making an example to make my point more clear.