Raid or DIE again

[Alleríana-draenor]

@Telestrian-argent-dawn

This only pans out if you assume a mythic dungeon takes 30 minutes.

Most mythic dungeons do not take 30 minutes, that is the time you have to do them, so if you’re taking 30 minutes, you’re not timing it.

20 minutes would be a more reasonable estimate. It’s still a lot of time but it would reduce it down by a third, which means that players who “mythic all day” would be able to get the amount of loot you’re talking about.

The time isn’t the issue, it’s the random. You may be able to play enough in one day to get 5-6 pieces of loot if you’re dedicated, but will those pieces be upgrades?

This said I can get why they’ve done this in relation to raiding.

Mmmm no you said it yourself you can clear a m+ in 20 mins if you are looking to time it a guild can be stuck on a raid boss for weeks loot to time ratio is much higher in m+ and needed a massive nerf.

[Kierkegard-pozzo-delleternità]

He said nothing wrong tho, if for him is a minigame leave him be?

[Telestrian-argent-dawn]

@Alleríana-draenor

@Telestrian-argent-dawn

I don’t think it’s fair to call mythic+ a side activity, because it is one of WoW’s most popular activities now.

It may be popular but it is very fair to call it a side activity, you can farm it as many times you want a day and get gear depending on RNG but still farmabale raiding is considered THE end game experience and for the last few expansions ties into the story via quests to encourage more people into raiding or getting a taste of it.

This is the best move Blizz could do imho, you can still think of it this way at last you can do what you enjoy to get moderately decent gear to hold you over until your raid gear drops.

Yeah don’t mistake my tone, i’m not that fussed over this. For me mythic+ is about getting gear to do mythic+ and climb and challenge myself. I don’t really give a stuff if it’s better or worse than gear people get from raiding.

As said in my post, I understand why they’ve done it - to stop people being able to trade loot when entering heroic raids which allows people to gear up from heroic raids very quickly to get the pieces they want and then head straight into mythic difficulty. I don’t think blizz want it to happen as quickly as it has in BFA.

I imagine they want people to progress from one to the next fairly smoothly. In BFA raiding guilds would spend very little time in heroic raids and then jump into mythic. Essentially they’d “try and get lucky” in their first heroic raid lockout, and then spend the rest of the week spamming M+ to get ilevel. Then in week two a lot of their members can now trade any drops.

[Souldefíler-silvermoon (Souldefíler)]

@Lunaera-kazzak

what a cheap excuse, he is game director, when you fail in the office can you blame your HR?

Don’t worry about it. OP is just miffed the game isn’t wrapped around how THEY want it to play.

Wait for the inevitable “The community agrees!” or “I’ve spoken to lots of people” or something similar which is a time old fashioned way of stamping your feet and sniveling because you didn’t get you way and you want sympathy.

[Ludidokttor-sylvanas (Ludidokttor)]

well for everyone else is part of game only he thinks that is mini game

[Alleríana-draenor]

@Telestrian-argent-dawn

Yeah don’t mistake my tone, i’m not that fussed over this. For me mythic+ is about getting gear to do mythic+ and climb and challenge myself. I don’t really give a stuff if it’s better or worse than gear people get from raiding.

As said in my post, I understand why they’ve done it - to stop people being able to trade loot when entering heroic raids which allows people to gear up from heroic raids very quickly to get the pieces they want and then head straight into mythic difficulty. I don’t think blizz want it to happen as quickly as it has in BFA.

I imagine they want people to progress from one to the next fairly smoothly. In BFA raiding guilds would spend very little time in heroic raids and then jump into mythic.

Yeah same Im sorry if I’m coming across horribly I don’t mean too, I understand your point of view but at least you can still gear in m+ to do m+ because you might go into a raid and not get a single piece of loot where as m+ will supplement you in the meantime with more guaranteed drops.

@Ludidokttor-sylvanas

well for everyone else is part of game only he thinks that is mini game

But he’s not wrong, it’s a side farmable activity.

[Shockojambo-kazzak]

it is a part of the game,a minigame part

[Ludidokttor-sylvanas (Ludidokttor)]

its not side thing it is part of game and blizzard even told that u can progress your character trough everthing , BUT U CANT

[Lynlia-silvermoon]

Well if indeed “raid or die” philosophy returns then guess its back to having 1 main which you log in 2-3 times a week to raid and then log off haha.

[Alleríana-draenor]

@Ludidokttor-sylvanas

its not side thing it is part of game and blizzard even told that u can progress your character trough everthing , BUT U CANT

You can Raiding is the end game experience and should wield the most powerful loot, and m+ is most definitely a side activity as again it’s farmable to your hearts content.

@Lynlia-silvermoon

Well if indeed “raid or die” philosophy returns then guess its back to having 1 main which you log in 2-3 times a week to raid and then log off haha.

Thats not a bad thing because then you can repick up those old games again or level an alt WoW should not make you feel you have to spend “all” of your time on it.

[Ludidokttor-sylvanas (Ludidokttor)]

ok if it is mini game and easy , will you allow 4 random with 460 gear to do +15 key or +17 idk which key u have atm

[Shockojambo-kazzak]

It is a minigame,side activity like the other fella said,they didnt even made a ranking system in the game for it,its even more minigame than PvP…get over it

[Telestrian-argent-dawn]

@Alleríana-draenor

@Telestrian-argent-dawn

Yeah don’t mistake my tone, i’m not that fussed over this. For me mythic+ is about getting gear to do mythic+ and climb and challenge myself. I don’t really give a stuff if it’s better or worse than gear people get from raiding.

As said in my post, I understand why they’ve done it - to stop people being able to trade loot when entering heroic raids which allows people to gear up from heroic raids very quickly to get the pieces they want and then head straight into mythic difficulty. I don’t think blizz want it to happen as quickly as it has in BFA.

I imagine they want people to progress from one to the next fairly smoothly. In BFA raiding guilds would spend very little time in heroic raids and then jump into mythic.

Yeah same Im sorry if I’m coming across horribly I don’t mean too, I understand your point of view but at least you can still gear in m+ to do m+ because you might go into a raid and not get a single piece of loot where as m+ will supplement you in the meantime with more guaranteed drops.

No worries, I didn’t take it that way, I meant don’t take my post as a complaint towards the change, because I understand why it’s been done, and I don’t think 3 ilevels completely trivialises M+. It’s still a repeatable source of gear and the quality of that gear is still very good.

M+ gear is still as strong as it was comparatively - so it will still be good enough for M+ (210 = 465) the only change is now heroic raids offer slightly stronger loot (213 = 471ish or so). It’s only an issue if you now feel you need stronger gear than you’ve been working with in BFA to do the mythics you have been doing.

[Ludidokttor-sylvanas (Ludidokttor)]

NO it is not SIDE THING , some levels of m+ are far harder than any raid and im talking about +30 things which i know will never see than on stream

[Ludidokttor-sylvanas (Ludidokttor)]

simply i want that scaling of m+ doesnt stop at +15 that scales up to +20 or +25 maybe i will never get that but will have reason to push

[Shockojambo-kazzak]

What that +30 will give you,ow wait some random generated number in 3rd party side made by fans of a mini side game in a real game Awesome

[Shockojambo-kazzak]

Ye i want R1 players that reach 3000+ raiting to have 100 ilvl higher items than anyone other in the game because they are 100 times better than them but that doesnt happen.SO GET OVER IT MR MINIGAME

[Ludidokttor-sylvanas (Ludidokttor)]

if u care only about doing raids , WELL OTHER PPL CARE about other things in the game, if u dont want play m+ few dungeons per day some ppl want

[Alleríana-draenor]

@Ludidokttor-sylvanas

NO it is not SIDE THING

It is but ok thats your opinion.

@Ludidokttor-sylvanas

some levels of m+ are far harder than any raid

Depends on your level of competance with 4 people, now look at Raiding you are looking at needing 4 times more competance than what it takes to do a m+ dungeon.

[Skarrynik-lightbringer]

This entire discussion gives the impression that both raiders and mythic+ player play mostly because of loot rewards. I find that really strange, I thought it should be the other way around. Perhaps for a change, none of these game modes should get any loot higher than what quests give. Just to see if everyone would really stop playing the game then.