Raid or DIE again

[Ludidokttor-sylvanas (Ludidokttor)]

simply warforging need to be in game otherwise there will be no point of doing m+ , doing +15 is far more trouble than doing hc raid

[Nivmie-draenor]

who cares. dungeon loot is useful for a very short time and then only weekly chest of disappointment matters.

[Rondakungfu-stormscale]

@Aérîth-eredar

the G3T-00T has no IT2… mine got Infinite stars I today and IT II is gone already… was there last week

You said:

@Aérîth-eredar

if I had gotten Ineffable Truth II on my 475 G3T-00T (I got that one today, and IT II is already gone) I would probably prefer that one over Il’gynoth’s eyestalk also 475

Where did stars appear now to your argument?
Also why on earth you would use stars as a holy priest lol

@Elahri-silvermoon

What guild? There’s only me and one other player active in the guild I’m in, pretty much all the characters in it are mine or his.

I’ve only ever pugged nyalotha.

Then NyA is like 10x harder for you compared to a FH 15 xD

[Elahri-silvermoon]

@Rondakungfu-stormscale

Then NyA is like 10x harder for you compared to a FH 15 xD

No, it’s easier.

[Brynlee-draenor-402685]

WoW should be about raiding in the endgame, not run a stupid dungeon to kill a pirate for the 500th time. Good change!

[Tralandrel-argent-dawn]

@Athulua-silvermoon

Great Vault (weekly chest) will contain ilvl 226 loot which equals to Mythic raid (8 out of 10 bosses of it). And you only need a +14, not 15. And you can get multiple choices for the week instead of one shot. It’s better in literally every way over BFA system.

The part that DOES get a nerf is farming dungeons for the end-of-dungeon chest. This was very over-rewarding for a long time and it’s about time they nerf this. M+ dungeons can be spammed without any end (unlike even plain mythic 0 which has a WEEKLY lockout!). They’re hellishly abused for boosting and make raiding unrewarding, as 465 is above heroic and very, VERY few people do mythic (at least past the first three). Since there is no tier sets the only reason to go raiding were bunch of trinkets and BiS azerite pieces. 4 items in total, including the situational PVP-oriented trink from Drest. I never experienced a raid loot table this unappealing. That’s because mythic + throws heaps of loot at me. Loot that is better than HC Nya.

Ok, Gurgthock. Hope you get fired.

[Evispole-lightbringer]

@Athulua-silvermoon

They’re hellishly abused for boosting and make raiding unrewarding

You think boosters wont kill same heroic bosses many more times now?
It’s just gonna be a different route but same result

[Ludidokttor-sylvanas (Ludidokttor)]

what is fun in that just doing 15 for weekly , i want play dungeons on daily basis and push and have small chance for same loot as mythic raid from end of dungeon

[Rondakungfu-stormscale]

@Elahri-silvermoon

No, it’s easier.

Cant imagine what groups you get into…
Honestly i rather do a 20 FH right now than pug NyA HC

But you are nelf druid, always special opinions from them xD

[Aérîth-eredar]

@Rondakungfu-stormscale

Where did stars appear now to your argument?
Also why on earth you would use stars as a holy priest lol

maybe I worded that wrong… I got the 475 G3T-00T from the chest today and it procced stars… nothing I can do about that…
but IT2 is gone, it was sold last week, so I can 't put it on G3T-00T

[Nivmie-draenor]

lol good one xD
Maybe +20 and higher keys could award mythic loot but +15s? come on

[Elahri-silvermoon]

@Rondakungfu-stormscale

But you are nelf druid, always special opinions from them xD

You what? I’m mainly playing a belf paladin and troll shaman and belf hunter.

[Rondakungfu-stormscale]

@Aérîth-eredar

maybe I worded that wrong… I got the 475 G3T-00T from the chest today and it procced stars… nothing I can do about that…
but IT2 is gone, it was sold last week, so I can 't put it on G3T-00T

Which means, raiding weapon is better.
Allthough IT meta is gone, full crit meta for holy now btw.

[Lxser-draenor]

great, next disgusting cancer system that rewards brain dead heroic raiding :DD

At least make 20s drop a higher ilvl.

[Athíyk-draenor]

They will, but loot for heroic is still capped to a single run a week, plus coins if you saved them up for a particular boss.

[Izylar-draenor]

@Tralandrel-argent-dawn

Sponsored by the lead team designer who only cares for raids

Not like raiders enjoy this. Forced personal loot is bad enough, now we can’t trade heroic loot early on in the tier anymore.

[Cerms-blackhand]

@Ludidokttor-sylvanas

so literaly if u want to push high key on m+ u will need to farm raid to be able to push high key on m+ it is stupid decision

@Benjamin-sunstrider

Welp I guess all that crying did help out

So much for ‘Alternative to raiding’ hah!

Weekly chest for a +14 is the same as mythic gear…

@Chocoh-draenor

Not happy with this, keys are gonn be pointless very quick.

Would you rather do a 2 hour raid (when it’s on farm) for higher ilvl sfuff in raid, and weekly box. Or 10x 15 keys (5 hoursish) for less ilvl stuff all round. Times that by 3 alts you’re saving 9 hours a week and getting better rewards from ignoring m+ lol. After a month when ya fully decked in heroic/mythic raid items then what?

Good look pugging keys as well, a raiders gonna be higher ilvl and be far more desireable to pick.

M+ is repeatable, Mythic raiding is not. What’s the point of doing mythic raids if you can just run ten +15’s in a row and outgear the raid

[Vilesså-argent-dawn]

Umm do you do know who made Mythic +
Right??

It was Ion’s idea the whole project he made your mythic + in Legion, it wouldn’t be there if it wasn’t for him.

[Alexima-kazzak (Alexima)]

Very good decision from blizzard. It was about time for them to start making gearing take longer.

Making an infinitely repeatable content drop lower gear than a once per boss per week chance for a drop, is something that should have happened a long time ago.

[Chocoh-draenor (Chocoh)]

Yeah it’s repeatable, but absolutely no point to repeat it now for loot rewards. And mythic raids always given higher then m+15, and mythic raid end of week will destory 10x key end of week. What a stupid reply .