You didn’t read the topic. He is trolling, and even confirming it somewhere.
People are missing the point it is not the addon that is the problem. It is people who choose to use the addon.
The addon does not dictate how you play WOW or is preventing you from doing Mythic keys. It is people who use the addon that is the problem.
But with this being said, people have a right to form their own groups and to decline or add you at their own will. If there was not raider io there would be some other way to filter out players.
The best advice I can give is to find a community or guild that lets anyone run keys with them or find friends to do the dungeon with and save yourself the trouble.
They may not have such rights, but they are not doing anything illegal by gathering publicly available information and using said information to present data to users and offering a, for many players, greatly appreciated service.
What you say about Raider also goes for Youtube, Twitch, Wowhead, Wowprogress, Warcraftlogs, and other third-party sites. They may not have “rights” to influence players, but they do certainly add value to the game by providing information.
This is obviously a troll post, which I did enjoy reading ![:slight_smile:](https://d1bg94bbsh66ji.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/slight_smile.png?v=6" ":slight_smile:")
But seriously, you earn your place in groups. Want a place in a +15, then do the +13’s first. Want a place in a +10, then earn that with a minimum of 850 IO. This proves to the key owner you have done your work and played the content at at least one or two levels below. Its a fantastic system to see peoples progress so far.
The biggest flaw is it goes to hell when you find someone with 1000 IO on a +10 who obviously bought the runs as they don’t understand mechanics, but its fairly rare.
If it wasn’t RaiderIO and people checked logs directly then great! It means that a third party system is not ordaining how easy it will be for me to get into content. Only Blizzard has that right.
That doesn’t justify it though. You could excuse a hundred horrid things by simple stating that “it is what it is”. As I said, only Blizzard has the right to judge how well people are playing the game. If Blizzard used their own scoring system then that would be fine.
So they are still coming up with their own score in their end. My “worth” in game boils down to their opinion on how the API should be calculated into their calculations.
It does. You may have a low score because you only ever did one dungeon over and over. You might be really good at that dungeon up to a key level but you can’t get in at a relevant key level to that one dungeon you always do because your score is low.
Of course not, but a third party system should not be whispering in their ear about it.
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The majority of people I know would not be doing M+ without it. It’s god-sent. The only thing you can do is go up the ladder and get more score so you can get invited so that you can too, then, ask for score.
I wish these threads were closed because it’s just so much hypocrisy, it’s always and only the people who don’t have a thing that complain about it and as soon as they get it, they start requiring it too, they’re saying how unnecessary / meaningless it is as an escape / defense mechanism.
Come on, mate, you’re better than this. Go farm that score if you care that much about it.
you must be joking right? i’m not gonna bother pointing out everything wrong with your post.
There is no hope mate. I even posted his main here but people only read the first post and then post…
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Yes they designed their own way of calculating their score, but it is still logically sound.
You can argue you don’t like the magnitude of the numbers, that you don’t like the way they scale, that you think other factors should play in.
What you can’t argue is that based on the information they are drawing on, they show a general representation of their experience. Better IO doesn’t mean the player is strictly better, but it does mean that he has better experience, barring absolute one trick ponies, but if you are a person who only does one dungeon, then obviously you don’t care about score anyways. Like my warlock is still farming balefire, so i have 10-15 +10 to +12 runs on my lock for WM which means it only has 880 score or smth, but that also means that i don’t care about score on that, so why should i be mad that it isn’t taken into account?
Honestly giving score for running the same dungeon multiple times would be retarded, anyways enough of that tangent.
RIO does it’s job well, it represents someone’s experience in mythic plus. All the data is there, you don’t even have to look at the numbers, you can just check their keys done. No matter how you slice it, no matter how much you wanna think RIO is bad because they decide how to calculate score, it doesn’t change the fact that if someone has all 11s in time and another has all 10s in time, the all 11s guy will have a higher score, so in that way, it correctly reflects someone’s experience.
Raider IO is still a third party system creating it’s own score values that affect the habits and opinions of players in WoW. Doesn’t matter what source of information they use, it is still a third party system having an affect on a game that people pay Blizzard for.
I don’t pay monthly to have some third-party add-on hamper my ability to get into groups just because I focus one dungeon over others.
Wait what!? Does raider .io keep score on players who do not use the addon, at all? isn’t that like against the rules or something? It feels like being naked at home and someone is watching you from a secret web cam and you can’t do anything about it
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It is sort of disconcerting that you can find that out. If blizzard are giving out that kind of data without permission I wonder would a GDPR complaint be in order.
Nope, they are using information from Blizzards own leaderboards.
I did find out his main character, not his RL name, adress or the size of his underwear. And since everything here is owned by Blizzard GDPR has no business here.
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I’m not accusing you of anything. I think Blizzard may need to reassess their information sharing privacy rules though.
Even if names on forums or game are “anonymous” they really aren’t.
I did not understand it like that. I was just pointing out that there is no actual private data involved here.
It’s not hampering your ability to get into groups really. If it it did not exist, people would just check your armory, see you have low key experience, and decline you anyways.
It is a much much better system, than when we had no system at all.
Also blizzard is closely monitoring RIO ofc, and blizzard is letting RIO do it’s thing, they even run their tournament bracket through there, you could basically say they are cooperating, just that RIO is not owned by blizzard. Basically, blizzard has more or less unofficially given their consent to let RIO’s system be a thing, else they would also have just banned the addon or stopped releasing their API.
But i also have a question. If blizzard just copied the RIO algorithm and incorporated it into the game, would you be okay with that?
Blizzard releases the information, it is public knowledge. I could go on your armory and check your runs myself. RIO just makes it more accessible.
It is more akin to you recording yourself on a webcam, upload it to a website, and then another website stitches together all of your recordings.
Only difference is that you are not actively recording your runs, but you blizzard has the right to reveal your gaming activity, but you get the idea.
And checking the size of your score…
These mythic+ players are so naughty, am I right?
Almost like they have the right to give concent to a person to play with their key. Blasphemy!
Yep so many totally sucked in and fully decked out in righteous indignation 