Raidfinder too easy!

[Tahra-earthen-ring (Tahra)]

You are delibaretly picking the pieces of my original post to make it fit your narrative, it’s disingenuous.

Euuuhhhh what?!

The one arguement people have is, “i do LFR for the story” so, watch a stream. No one does mythic raiding because of the story, but good job on completely missing the point.

THAT was the whole post I was reacting to. Didn’t leave much out did I?

My original post was directed at someone that posted about LFR and the reason people played LFR was story, so that was my response, instead you take that and apply it to everything else, like it’s true for mythic raiding which it isn’t, but you decided not to take that one up.

I was reacting to your horribly stupid reply of ‘go watch a video’.
And I thoroughly explained why it is stupid in my post that you now just dismiss even though I made excellent points. Easy to just wave away well constructed arguments and criticism isn’t it?

I didn’t miss ANY point, YOU are ignoring my entire argument and that, frankly, is insulting (and kind of pathetic too, tbh).

I won’t bother discussing this with someone that actually compared LFG in TBC and LFG in WOTLK and you are being manipulative anyways.

No, you won’t discuss it because you can’t. You know you’ll lose, because you have zero debating skills. You can only spread lies and hyperbole and veiled flaming.

[Slymie-silvermoon]

Yeah, and watching someone kill Jaina in LFR is exactly like being there, too. Get real.

Again, you are comparing a LFR jaina to Mythic jaina…i…i just can’t believe it

So?

Puny decided to take my response to a LFR boss and apply the same logic to a mythic boss, i tell him/her that the comparison is just wrong, you decide to tell me im flawed in saying so. Seems like it’s impossible for you to see the difference, so i guess a “So?” is all you can say at this point.

[Lanie-argent-dawn]

Again, you are comparing a LFR jaina to Mythic jaina…i…i just can’t believe it

I’m comparing one part of the game to another part. Am I saying they’re the same? No, not at all. Am I saying they’re both part of the game? Yes, because they are. My point is it’s a game, something you PLAY.

Puny decided to take my response to a LFR boss and apply the same logic to a mythic boss

No, she applied your logic of “just watch a video of it” and used it on something that you do.

i tell him/her that the comparison is just wrong

You started with the stupid comparisons i.e: “Watch a video.” So don’t act surprised when someone uses that stupid argument back at you.

[Tahra-earthen-ring (Tahra)]

No, she applied your logic of “just watch a video of it” and used it on something that you do.

THIS. THIS. THIS.
This x 1000000000.
Why don’t you just GET IT Slymie?!

That was the point of my first reply to it as well.
You DON’T tell people to watch a video of something if they want to PLAY or EXPERIENCE a game (or any of the other activities I mentioned).

[Slymie-silvermoon]

I was reacting to your horribly stupid reply of ‘go watch a video’.
And I thoroughly explained why it is stupid in my post that you now just dismiss even though I made excellent points. Easy to just wave away well constructed arguments and criticism isn’t it?

The story in an MMORPG isn’t purely played out in cinematics. There’s ingame conversations (voiced or in chat), there’s events that the players themselves help shape or put into motion and, and this is probably the most important; story follows up the player’s actions/gameplay and that ENHANCES the story and your involvement in it and your immersion into it.

All of what you said is true, what is also true is that the exact same things happens to everyone else that plays the game, thinking that you are making a difference in the story is well…delusional. There is a reason Developers of single player games talks about how twitch is hurting their games, alot of people watch those games online because it’s mainly just story, no reason to pay and play when you can just watch for free.

MMORPG stories aren’t meant to be watched passively like a movie. They are created with the player actually playing the game in mind.

This isn’t Mass effect or KOTOR. Stories are passively watched, you don’t change them or make them different here.

[Punyelf-draenor (Punyelf)]

Go watch Method kill Jaina. Now you don’t need to.

Problem solved.

Now you are comparing LFR to Mythic? you think LFR is just as challenging as mythic? you don’t think we watch videos of other kills and guides in order to learn mythic fights? now i know you have no idea what you are talking about.

I’m comparing your go watch it on youtube to actually taking part.

[Slymie-silvermoon]

No, she applied your logic of “just watch a video of it” and used it on something that you do.

Yes let’s competely disregard context, let’s completely disregard the difference between a LFR and a mythic boss, context means alot. Your disregard for it is really repetitive.

You started with the stupid comparisons i.e: “Watch a video.” So don’t act surprised when someone uses that stupid argument back at you.

The comparison of watching a LFR jaina kill between watching a Jaina mythic kill…yes there are no differences, none. I’m sure people watch an LFR jaina kill in order to learn the fight hehe, keep believing that.

[Tahra-earthen-ring (Tahra)]

thinking that you are making a difference in the story is well…delusional.

Nobody is thinking that, but it’s a matter of immersion and enhancing the value of the story by ‘being a part of it’.

And yeah, it might be hurting games, I wouldn’t know, because I don’t watch other people playing videogames. I’d rather play myself. I’ve never seen the alure in watching someone else play. I don’t watch that world first stuff either; I couldn’t care less about it.

Stories are passively watched, you don’t change them or make them different here.

That’s not the point. The point is that you are ‘getting to that point in the story yourself’ or ‘being there’ or ‘helping move it forward’. Not actually influencing the story, but feeling part of it… You know… IMMERSION?!

If you don’t have that, then you won’t get it and this discussion is useless. Do you ever feel immersed playing WoW? Or is it all just stats and numbers to you?

[Lanie-argent-dawn]

thinking that you are making a difference in the story is well…delusional.

Who thinks this?

There is a reason Developers of single player games talks about how twitch is hurting their games, alot of people watch those games online because it’s mainly just story, no reason to pay and play when you can just watch for free.

I literally laughed at my screen at this one.

This isn’t Mass effect or KOTOR.

It’s also not a movie. Oh, and they weren’t either.

let’s completely disregard the difference between a LFR and a mythic boss, context means alot.

Mechanics and difficulty. Your point?

Your disregard for it is really repetitive.

Your disregard for pretty much everything is.

The comparison of watching a LFR jaina kill between watching a Jaina mythic kill…yes there are no differences, none. I’m sure people watch an LFR jaina kill in order to learn the fight hehe, keep believing that.

[Celadina-doomhammer]

now i know you have no idea what you are talking about.

she has better progress then you so i think she does .

[Lanie-argent-dawn]

she has better progress then you so i think she does .

They watched a video of it on youtube, duh!

[Slymie-silvermoon]

I’m comparing your go watch it on youtube to actually taking part.

Then don’t do that comparison with Mythic and LFR. Your original post was :

This is where there is a great misconception by people who do higher difficulties. It is not it’s intention to teach people anything. It’s to give non raiders access to see the raids/final storylines.

So tell me how partaking in passive story is any different than just watching it at will for free online on youtube? immersion? you can get that watching a video aswell. This is why i question the reason of LFR being there for story.

Nobbel87 is probably the youtuber i’d recommend !

[Celadina-doomhammer]

oh ofc they did duh silly me i mean this vendor trash guy such a top end raider so epicness in them we must bow to his l337n355

[Lanie-argent-dawn]

So tell me how partaking in passive story is any different than just watching it at will for free online on youtube?

I pay to play it, not to watch it. Try again.

[Tahra-earthen-ring (Tahra)]

So tell me how partaking in passive story

That is NOT what LFR is or does. It’s active.
The fact that some people think it’s okay to AFK doesn’t make it ‘part of that feature’. And I for one think people should be punished for afking in there a LOT harsher.

[Slymie-silvermoon]

she has better progress then you so i think she does .

she has no kills in mythic? she has 7/8 in uldir so it’s just as good as what i had, not sure what you are on about.

[Punyelf-draenor (Punyelf)]

So tell me how partaking in passive story is any different than just watching it at will for free online on youtube? immersion? you can get that watching a video aswell. This is why i question the reason of LFR being there for story.

Nobbel87 is probably the youtuber i’d recommend !

Tell me how satisfied would you be if you could only see mythic via Method’s Stream?

It’s ridiculous to suggest that just because something is easy that people don’t actually want to take part.

[Celadina-doomhammer]

Yet yor the one who dismissed her views you are a troll a blatant one at that .

[Slymie-silvermoon]

Tell me how satisfied would you be if you could only see mythic via Method’s Stream?

If i could only see? i would be happy, if i didn’t have the time to do the raid i’d be satisfied with just watching the streams, if real life won’t allow it, i’m not going to cry that the game doesn’t cater to me.

[Osangar-aszune (Osangar)]

So tell me how partaking in passive story is any different than just watching it at will for free online on youtube?

But the point you are failing to comprehend is that to us who participate in LFR content it is not passive. We are there fighting the Boss in order to bring them down. I know there’s a gulf in difficulty between my LFR and your Mythic however if the 25 of us who enter just stand around at the entrance then the trash and the Bosses don’t just fall over and shower us with loot, we have to kill that trash and those Bosses and do whatever mechanics are required in order to achieve that aim.

It is a level where I can simply press a button to enter a queue and then go about playing my game. I am not beholden to a group if I suddenly have to bail for whatever reason as I can be replaced exceptionally easily. It is further distilled down into bitesized chunks so I can dip in and out of the raid during the course of the week without any. consequences. Back when I used to raid properly I could guarantee that most weeks I was lucky if I saw further than the 4th or 5th Boss and to actually see the very end of a raid was almost no existent.

It takes nothing away from your game play and adds a whole lot to mine.