Horrible idea.
First of all rank 14 wont be avaible untill aq40 so it might be to late for r14 for most ppl since ppl tend to quit in aq. And wont be long time untill tbc.
Second of all its still 100hours or more gameplay to get r13 to r14 doing av spam.
Its kinda insane you want people to do spend even more time by nerfing av honor.
Old system was awful.
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I want people to premade warsong and arathi so I can have some decent games. No ones gonna grind wsg for 50 hours if they can grind av for 10 hrs. I want the honor cap to be so high that ppl want to play wsg and arathi in a premade because alterac is not efficient enough for ppl to hit their weekly cap in a timely manner. Also, R14 opens “shortly after BWL release” here, not with AQ
Classic these days is about minmaxing, no ones going to play warsong or AB if it’s not way more efficient
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you get rank14 without any pvp . bad changed. then the avs horde players enter on wsg and dont do anything. VS alliance premades
However you need to run it once pr week, so you get your 15 HK, as you are not likely to get them in AV.
The sweatlord RMT Andys are already in BiS gear. Why should I bother with PvP when others just swipe and done? Sure, gear is not everything, but it does make a huge difference, especially here.
I really dont like the double standard in this thread.
People are seriously complaining about quick AV games. “too much honor, WSG is suffering” etc etc.
When all you want to do is reduce the honor gain in AV so you can run PREMADE WSG games and stomp randoms in 6 minutes instead. “Real pvp?”
I rember the Rank 14 grind in real classic. You ran premade WSG/AB games 10+ hours a day maybe more. You absolutely stomped randoms 9/10 games. Quick wins and you farmed the other team on their graveyard.
Queued up against annother premade? No problem, just forfeit the game. Its better to lose 1 quick game and win 6 in the next hour then to fight in a 45+ min WSG with annother premade.
This was the rank 14 grind back in the day.
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there were no lockdowns outside totalitarian s hole countries
Classic is supposed to be a social game where you group up with people. Ranking is supposed to be premade vs premade. AV is as much pvp as speedrunning molten core is. 99% of premades are utter garbage and would not stomp a pug game if they were free from bots, afkers, green geared people and those who surrender before the game even started. The best solution to the quality of pvp games is to make it premade only.
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What are you getting at dude, it’s still very much a grind for most people, although in comparison to back then actually achievable. You still need like 500k honor a week twice, which would be at least 300 “rush AVs”, which is still around 50 hrs (+ queuing) you need to grind in a week. For the current player base (people that had 0 responsibilities 20 years ago and now have jobs, families and stuff) this is still a hefty amount of game time. To say 50 hrs a week for like 2-3 weeks at least would be a free reward is just obsurd. On top of that they will release the later ranks in a later phase and pve gear will be very comparable and tbh you can obtain it probably in way less time spent playing the game.
For most it wouldn’t be possible at all to get close to that amount of honor in WS. I did a few, only met premade groups with flasks, sappers and world buffs and if you don’t go as hard yourself or don’t have a premade group with discord, you rarely even get a kill. Your ideal version sounds very elitist and is only fun for the top 1-5% that can play the game 15 hrs a day. I’m glad they made the change and make it more fun for the rest as well.
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get off the copium ,social game really?
only time somebody talk is to complain about loot or to say they are the best players.
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Come play SoD! The only bg worth playing is AB… see if you like that better. Oh and if you play on a pve server you wont start ranking before lvl 60 because there are no bgs! 
i agree with the op. The pvp rank progress is based on honor in a way it makes AV a speedrun bgs killing NPCs to get the most honor possible because they give best amount of honor. It’s just ruining the pvp purpose of what’s a bg.
but i think its not easy to think a pvp honor system who will ensure that everything is fair and balanced because when you try to find a solution it often leads to create other issues.
For AV, i think that flags inside tower should give largest amount of honor point then GY, so horde and alliance have to play in team and defend or attack towers and defend gy leading to pvp encounter but i dread it will make av turtle around some gy or tower point. So you have to allocate honor in a dynamic way to flag and gy to un-turtle the game. For example, making randomly a flag in tower that is owned by horde a +400 honor point if taken by alliance in the 3 or 5 next min by making the + 200 point appear on the flag on the map and a big annoucement on bg channel. Another issue is to define what can do elite npcs. they wander often around tower and mini boss i dont think its good to make them patrol around tower as it makes dificult for few players to take them, its better to see elite npcs wandering only close to bosses.
i think giving more point to kill players is mandatory instead of giving more honor point by killing npcs its logic in order to make people looking for fight. But it can lead to abuse like camping players. Logically giving more honor for killing higher pvp rank is logic but it can lead to harassment but also force alliance or horde player to organize themselves in order to protect higher pvp rank players.
well the premade in warsong is another issue that is difficult to counter except if you are also in a premade. Maybe Blizzard can see before gathering players for a warsong if people tagged as a team of 5 players then they put them on warsong where there is also a team on the other side who tagged for a warsong game so there will be higher chance taht a pick up team players will face another pickup team players
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This new PvP system managed to almost obliterate the PvP scene in Era. I say almost, because with the advent of anniversary, smaller BGs are popping again, which is a good thing to happen.
Be ready for non stop AV as the ultra meta to rank up. Additionally, if you try to engage mid AV and have an actual fight, you will be quickly labeled a “griefer”.
I fully agree on the sentiment - This new PvP system is disastrous for PvP.
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i don’t understand the appeal of AV 5min boss rush
playing Angrybird on smartphone is a higher challenge than that
just did my 110k threshold in 2 days, this is sooooooooooo soporific
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imagine this →
the guy who can play 10hours per day → he lose every fights 1v1 in AV mid during 10 hours every day of the week → he gonna get R14 for it
vs
the guy who can play 10 hours per week → he win every fights 1v1 in AV mid → he is not gonna get R14, only because he have less time than the noob above
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecix74h6A04 Yamakasi ←
← this is what Vanilla/TBC Warsong is
people in favor of AV 5min games in loop, don’t like PvPing, don’t like action → there is no adrenaline in AV
GET RID OF HONOR THRESHOLD, 418K FOR R14 IS DOABLE ONLY IN SOPORIFIC AV RUSH BOSS 5MIN, THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE
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in WSG/AB every players are a part of the game, every player is like a chess piece, have to give their best → they deserve R14
in AV the goal is to kill a NPC, and count in the AFKers, the questers, the useless lvl 51s, etc → this should not be the way to get the best PvP gear
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AV is a pve bg but you still shouldn’t encourage people to NOT play the objects in bgs. Capping & defending flags in wsg/ab should be max honor, not just everyone trying to make a 2006 pvp movie.
Kill honor should be shared BG wide & with dead people, it doesnt matter if someone is running the flag or defending ur flag room they are both putting in the effort to win, often more so than the people ganking mid
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No, thats cuz of 5 or 10 stacks that you will be against.
The old honorsystem is outdated and horrible at best. something being grindy is not the problem, but being THAT grindy that you have to quit your job and divorce your wife while rewarding NEETS is an objectively bad decision for a game. you still need to get 500k multiple weeks in a row which is still a lot of gametime. Literally any pvp system after classic is better because it’s 100% based on skill and no amount of time you want to invest can safe you there if you dont bring the skill. in addition the old pvp system encourages A LOT of degeneracy, like botting,bracket mafia,account sharing and massreport for bracket breakers and whith today minmax culture it would be much much worse. to make matters worse the pvp gear is damn good for pve aswell especially for warriors, which means pve players want to reach R14 aswell making the bg scene a toxic mess where PVE andys are even more likely to just bot or sharing their accounts. forcing people who might won’t enjoy pvp that much into WSG premades to get their gears leads into more “fake premades” who surrender at the first sign of struggle more likely then not. creating an atmosphere nobody wants to be in.
The old pvp system is a failure and can’t work with todays playerbase.
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//www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFRZAfhsk2k this is the only audio version i found → if somebody find the full end of the audio starting at 1:32, please reply to me 
(maybe don’t exist, but who knows, i ask)
True and you can still do grinding if you want. Spam arenas with your friend(s), if you play on pvp realm, go to any contested area and hunt down players (<----- that was HUGE part of classic honor grind) or make random Premade rated BG groups.
Heck, just by scouting around hellfire, nagrand and zangarmarsh you get decent pvp action relatively often (and yes, max level players are still capturing the pvp points on those areas)
Even on PvE realms, having pvp enabled is sure way to get someone to attack you, especially around daily quest areas.
Oh wait, you didn’t mean actual grind, you meant ppl queing on Battlegrounds and maximizing honor gain the way you would like now, since getting honor isn’t a problem, but getting enough kills is…my bad