Yo I play ret pala, but I knew what I was doing rolling it. Hope You guys and girls are aware that we are playing 3.3.5 balance that requires t10 to work properly :).
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Agree. i used to play this game for many years and feeling like paladin is just wayy too weak to the point i have to play holy. Ret was originally my main spec but no dmg. either pvp or pve it sucks. please mandatory 50% all damage bonus for paladins 
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As I said back then, putting Retri in the game was just a commercial strategy. When they got enoughsubscribers they started trashing Retri in favor of DKs, under the excuse of pvp burst. All of this was happening while DKS were literally taking 3 seconds to melt down a squishy, Arms Warriors were deaking 15k on Mortal Strikes on full Plate + Shield, Rogues could cc lock you, Locks were dealing 25k with Chaos Bolts, mages were permaslowing and melting you in the very first snare with 10 crits etc.
so, DKs being hyperviable on all of their 3 specs is in a good spot while Paladins are not allowed to dps? ok…
Yes, I am aware.
Don’t you think this is stupid? You balance a spec around something that does not physically exist. This is like literally punishing the only dps spec of a class for getting something in the future. This is just absurd at this moment.
DKs are lightning in a bottle and i can nearly guarantee that they’ve had significantly more theorycrafting by competitive players put into them than Ret, which is going to contribute.
Compare it to Warriors, whose best spec is currently on a lower median than ret, who have the worst tank spec, the worst dps spec and copium with the premise of eventually hitting the armor pen cap.
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Yet here we are complaining about an incredibly usefull class sub par dps, yet warr least brought class in the game ATM, they dont care about fixing our deep wounds munching losing us 8-10% dps and they nerfed fiery weapon that lost us even more dps.
Yeah i dont have a shred of sympathy for the way retri palas complain about everything. You litterally just got a bug fixed that gave you more dps and they f ed it up giving you even more dmg than supposed cause it procs seals now, and still that hasnt been fixed for days now.
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we are an incredibly useful class and alot of people overlook it. a month ago when we got undying, we went for 3d aswell for the meta and we wiped about 4-5 times on sarth 10 in the same spot, a guildy said that i should use judgement of light and start to bubble sac the tank when needed. As soon as I did that we got our first kill, i was so set in just zugging i forgot what i bought to the table and didnt think of swapping macros. Ended up with a decent chunk of healing from seal of light aswell.
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yes rets a subdhagsdjak
If u ask me Id be all for progressive balancing so virtually going patch to patch, not starting at 3.3.5.
But We all knew what we are signing for choosing ret pala, so dunno why complaining now. I saw no complains during beta 
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Actually, Ret was mid to high end in all sims / crafts / predictions etc and now it is where it is, literaly bottom of the tier with these short fights. Even arms and fury can burst harder than we do.
The thing is that now Ret is going to be even worse. We still have some bugs - SoV not scaling properly woth AP and SP, same for the judgement and some autos are not applying the stack or the seal damage. SoV is terrible for these short fights, needeing 8 seconds to stack it in best case scenario while any other class stacks their debuffs in 3-4 seconds worst case scenario.
Every single class scales better and has way better tier bonuses.
Our utility is literally brought to the table by other classes with more damage and the other Paladin specs.
We weill lose a lot with Ulduar:
12,5% dmg on judgement (+1 second CD from losing 4p T7)
Guaranteed crits on Exorcism (no more Undead)
50-70 dps (no more undead fights in Ulduar so no more Sense Undead)
10% damage on DS, our hardes hitting weapon attack.
The tings we will gain are not going to compensate even by an inch…
10% dmg on HoW - Irrelevant since the execute phase lasts 30 seconds at most.
10% dmg on Exo - Lol, -90% damage
10% crit on DS - Situational at best, decent during trash
10% crit on CS - The only decent thing, but not even close to the T7 bonuses. For this to be even close on T7 we need a 3.4 seconds cd CS at most, else it is another bad joke.
The only real gain is going to be a bunch of attack power from the higher ilvls.
A solution at this moment might be going wiht 4p T7 in Ulduar and adding the 251 items around it.
Don’t want to see half my raid frames in pink, thanks. Your class is already highly represented in all raids with holy and prot being S tier on what they do.
Saying the Dk with all 3 specs being S+ tier at what they do and literally the amount of DK parses being larger than 3-4 any other classes combined.
On the other hand, why would I want to see all my raid frames burgund?
You, sir, are the definition of the double standards. You are ok with your class being S+ in everything, but have a problem with another one.
Frost is middle of the pack, on the low end of A tier. It’s biggest strength was that it wasn’t terribly gear dependent, while being mostly foolproof. And Blood plays sloppy seconds to Prot Paladins, who are god tier.
Why are you over-exaggerating?
Rets have a spot in raids, they become incredibly powerful later on in the expansion when they get access to their tier (and Smourne); why are you crying over something that has been known for over a decade?
There’s still about 3000 ret paladins for every lock or mage, so I guess most people aren’t fussed, and are looking at the bigger picture.
It’s the same class - you just have 13 years of research altering play style and class options that supersede the previous experience.
Just outta curiosity, why are you assuming rets will even get Shadowmourne after 3 phases of below mediocrity?
no reason they wouldn’t - you don’t need a Battered Hilt - it’s Rep Questline
… you don’t have the faintest clue how Shadowmourne works do you?
I just posted you a guide - all you need to do is read it