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You didn’t misread the situation at all.

And for this you’re going to be absolutely flogged by several members of the forum.

And just in case you think it’s over: The new expansion starts out with a male war hero suddenly made war-incompetent, but then carried by an insubordinate woman who gets away with it anyway, a (so far) weak son trying to find his place in the world while being softly spoken, and the main villain is an all-powerful woman. And of course the powerful revolutionary in one of the new zones is a daughter who’s right about everything, while the other features you backing a woman who invades a Zul’Aman, them of course being evil and led by a male.

Oh and he has a daughter. I haven’t played through it yet, but how much do you want to bet she takes over?

It’s absolutely still going at full tilt.

No you haven’t. This has been the case in certain genres and not in others where it’s the complete opposite, but there’s no huge influx of men coming into women’s spaces and their favourite stories and completely changing them - and if they did you’d rightly tell them to buzz off.

This is Warcraft. Women are most certainly welcome, but at its core it’s a WAR GAME. You know, the traditional domain of men. Don’t be surprised if a war game is full of hairy sweaty dudes killing hairy sweaty dudes, and please for the love of God don’t raise a big stink about it. Let people have their fun and stop trying to change everything into something it was never meant to be.

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I appreciate your point about Pelagos, but I think there’s a difference between admiring a character for the valuable lessons they teach and looking at them as a role model in the traditional sense. Pelagos is a great character in terms of emotional growth and introspection, and I definitely think there’s value in teaching young people about empathy, self-awareness, and resilience. However, when I think of role models for young boys, I’m talking about figures who exemplify traditional masculine traits like strength, self-discipline, perseverance, and leadership.

Pelagos’ emotional sensitivity, while valuable, doesn’t quite fit that mold for me. He’s a character who struggles with self-doubt and emotional vulnerability throughout Shadowlands, and while that’s an important journey, it doesn’t provide the same kind of direct, uncompromising strength that I think many young boys need to look up to. His arc is very focused on understanding and processing emotions, which is great, but there’s not as much of that raw confidence, assertiveness, or drive to overcome obstacles that characters like Vegeta or Goku represent.

As for The Primus, I do think he plays a crucial role in the story, but in many ways, he still operates within the background of the Shadowlands narrative, while many of the major plot-driving actions are still pushed forward by female characters (e.g., Sylvanas, Bastion’s leadership figures).

Ultimately, it’s not that Pelagos doesn’t have qualities that could be admirable for a young person, but I personally don’t see him as a role model in the traditional sense of a strong, stoic male figure. Someone who is emotionally resilient, disciplined, and who leads through action. I think WoW could do with more characters that embody that balance of toughness and emotional depth.

I think WoW is vast enough to incorporate such a Character. Someone like Aragorn, Jon Snow or Garrus Vakarian from Mass Effect would at least in my opinion add something to WoW that is missing right now.

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Sorry but….this is a video game.

You shouldnt look for your rolemodel here….

THAT would be shocking to me if someone said “thrall is my rolemodel” i would answer “please look for professional help”.

This is entertainment (with a lot of bs) not a kid raising program

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Woman have different strengths to men, we should not fear the difference and represent both equally but not force one role into the other or we end up with the current mess.

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I understand the point, but I think there’s a middle ground. WoW and similar games have a huge impact on younger audiences, and strong male characters can provide real-life lessons about perseverance, growth, and overcoming flaws.

That some people might take this too far is a valid concern but that´s an entirely different Problem.

Also if it ain´t such a big deal, why is there so much resistance then?

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My brother in Christ I don’t know how to break this to you…

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Being emotionless isn’t a good thing

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Chromie is absolutely a strong female character

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but she is a dragon.

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She was born a male dragon, and took a female mortal form. Doesn’t change the biology of it.

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fragile loser

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Actually didn´t know this, she appears as Female ingame for as long as i can remember.

@Warlóór i´d appreciate if you didn´t put words in my mouth, if you´re referreing to “emotional resilience” that´s entirely different from being emotionless.

Also i´d like to ask you to keep it respectful a second time.

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Bruh, its in the wikis that she was born male…

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I remember shes a woman. The quest made that explicitly clear but your kind always act stupid

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woman and female are different things, one is a gender identity created by society the other is one of two broad morphs most complex life comes in.

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It just dawned on me that wow absolutely has no males or females. It only has Body 1 and Body 2 npcs.

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For most they are the same.

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Ill chalk that down to being a professional bio nerd.

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It’s a game. That’s what people dont understand.

Whoever tries to somehow make connections between RW and fantasy game world needs to simply take their medications and go back to therapy.

A game has, since time inmemoral, been all about half-naked skimpy girls. And over the top muscular men. Good guy is a beefed warrior and his female mage friend. A the bad guy is a deformed goblin or something. And that’s the way it’s supposed to stay. DONE.

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What is so shocking about this?

I think Anduin in particular is a great role model for boys, far better than any “Blood and Honor” or “Ti*ies and Beer” grunt could ever be.

Female leads, why not? Today’s youth, just like Yesterday’s is surrounded by male leaders, just watch the news for 5 minutes.

I am not implying that Aleria’s story was matched to her character well, nor that Faerin wasn’t carrying more “significant” traits than the story really needed, though.

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