“kick warrior, get hunter”
basically the state of warrior dps in shadowlands
also prot specc - just remove it for shadowlands, it’s unplayable
The M+ u do get an inv to usually starts with some delayed messages from the other people in the grp “oh do we really gotta take him?” - “yeah, no other tank has signed up so lets just try it”… Good pep talk!
Im just sick and tired of feeling useless. I think the raid is going ok how ever im only 10/10 normal 1/10 heroic, but that is more of a guild problem and times tryed.
The thing is i love prot warrior, i think it is such a cool class, we look good and have satisfying abilities (the way they look and feel), how ever we cant with stand anything, we are like a sad bag of leafes! i have the same ilvl and basically gear as a prot pala i play with and the difference is mind bobbing. I’ve read most of this thread and see similiar experiences as you guys do. The packs in m+ totally shredding you to pieces, the ignore pain that is impossible to keep up, the lack of dmg, the cd timers OMG! and so on and so on!
yesterday i was on the brink of quitting. I was like, i love to play, i love my warrior, but to feel like dog s*** in everysingle aspect of the game is not a good feeling. People tell me to reroll. But to be doing what?! I dont feel at home with the other specs and i feel that ive put in so much time in this toon (which is limited in ur 30s with IRL wifes, jobs and so on.).
I really hope Blizzard will fix our class. Because reroll or just swallow it shouldn’t be our only option. Sorry for the long rant, I dont know, just feel sad.
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Outside condenm its feel bad to press those abilities think about necrolord and night fea warriors though without condenm.
I know that, it’s just that it serve no purpose.
It makes no damage at all and nothing else.
MS makes no damage, but gives the mastery buff, overpower buff MS, that kind of thing makes sens.
But slam or whirlwind are just useless, it’s just a rage spender
They proc overpower for you tho. In m+ if you don’t use whirlwind or slam in your rotation to proc overpower for Aoe damage and MS buff you are just bad arm warrior. Same apply for raid if you don’t press something for so long and waiting for overpower or MS to come up you are going to lose dps.
The change I want to see is to slam damage increase and let it to proc execute instant of overpower.
No buff for prot war !! Is blizz really trolling us ? if some top players with full guild run made to 1.5k rio it doesn’t mean prot war doing good !!
Lol, they just delete my post where I explain that I think war is an incomplete class like. I’m starting to understand why things are not changing
Do something blizzard. Are you like looking the other way ? I mean it’s like IN YOUR FACE, how bad things are going for warriors.
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%8 was not enough.
u have no idea about warrior if you are saying to proc OPs in raid situation, op is dogcrap dmg, works only for aoe with crash
sorry, but warrior now is a retarded class and you keep wounds and condemn everything that is possible, that’s really all
What you talking about dude? Overpower is free damage and it buffs Mortal Strike damage, it’s absolutely vital to your dps. If you’re running dreadnaught then at 2 stacks it’s high priority unless you’re going to rage cap by not spending rage.
The whole point is to weave Overpowers inbetween Execute/Condemn so that you’re dealing damage while the auto-swing generates rage for you to spend 40 rage on Condemn. If you’re just spamming Condemn you’re going to be wasting all the OP procs which are completely free damage, just so you can spam low rage Condemns, when it’s better to use 40 rage condemns and collect free OP damage inbetween.
The only time you’re ignoring overpower is when you’re trying to maximise a cooldown, damage buff or the boss takes extra damage (like if you have 80 rage and a damage buff is up and you wanna burn the 80 rage into Condemn/Exe before the buff drops).
If you don’t do this you will burst hard at the start of a fight and then just rage starve hard and your dps disappears.
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read again what I responded to, i didn’t say anything wrong about op weave between condemn downtimes, i criticized his idea to be constantly aiming to get op procs
I let others riot. I just unsubbed and quit wow because a warrior is in super bad shape. M+ is not as enjoyable as dps/prot. Raids you are there just to buff others and every content is super melee unfriendly. The only good thing is pvp if you like doing that. I don’t so much rather not play this game anymore. I’ll come back if there are some massive changes to specs and when Blizz makes mechanics easier to play melee. Maybe next season is better but I doubt that.
I’m considering unsubbing as well. Sure, fury feels much better after the buff but we’re still bottom of the barrel. What reason is there to take a warrior into M+? We provide next to nothing to the group and don’t do adequate damage. Even people I have known for decades don’t want to play with me because I’m the fifth wheel – which is completely understandable considering how horrible this class is. Hell, when I get lucky and actually am in a group, I’m the first to advise against (another) warrior DPS.
This class is in big trouble. I’d probably be clinically depressed if I were tanking as well.
Yeah, ravager with legendary is a super strong burst (combined with Avatar + trinket). I would still say that Venthyr is way stronger because you can do burst at the start to 80% and then twice in 35-0% in longer raid type of fight. You even get rage back at the start of the fight so you can just spam condemn. Arms problem is that outside the execute phase you hit like a wet noodle.
I think arms need 15-20% buff on Overpower, MS, and Slam. Then the mid-fight would be more balanced + the overall damage done would be more in line with other dps classes. Still, warriors would not be on the top but would help outside of the execute phases.
This pretty much. Venthyr arms does decent dmg only in execute phase and at the start to 80% boss hp. Then everything else hits like a wet noodle.
Top warriors with 99% parses still do like 2k less dmg than top specs which is ridiculous difference. Always sitting right above the tanks in dps meters. So it’s not a L2P issue warrior really is bad in PvE. Other classes except DH at least can swap to other spec but we can pick between trash or sh1t. 20% flat dmg buff would help but I would rather see some buffs to mid-fight section.
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The covenant balance isn’t that bad though, they all have specialisations in different areas of the game.
Have you done a dungeon with a Nightfae or Kyrian dps Warrior? If you look at the high rankings/keys on Warcraftlogs the top Arms covenant is Kyrian, despite Venthyr being more popular. Both Nightfae and Kyrian have vastly superior burst AOE and the utility of spear is great. Same situation in PvP, you see a mix of Kyrian/Venthyr Warriors at the top ratings.
Venthyr has a clear advantage for raiding dps Warriors, where sustained single target/cleaving allows you to maximise Condemn, but outside of raiding 3/4 of them are decent, it’s only Necrolord that needs attention.
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What are you even talking about?! When it comes to damage, Arms and Fury warrior share with BM hunter and frost mage for the worst spec in the game, while prot warrior is the worst tank spec in the game, both in raiding and in m+. Just take a look at up-to-date data from warcraftlogs or raiderio, or for a subjective impression just get into the game and try to get into public 13+/14+/15+ keys.
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What you talking about dude? I’m talking about the differences between covenants, not class balance?
The difference in Covenant balance matters nothing when the base is a mess.
In Legion and BfA the borrowed power was spec-based and could be used to shore up holes in the spec. In Sl it’s clas-based, meaning that unless it matches the spec then the spec really blows.
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