RMT/Boosting for golds = Killing community?

Then let me ask you would these people accept a 300-1000 RIO rated player in their group aside from obvious boosting and more namely in a 20+ key? Would you as a healer be in those groups if your rating and skill level tops somewhere between 300-1000?

People are currently only social between each other if they’re at the same skill level, people that are in lower skill levels are hardly ever accepted or taken seriously. What you’re describing your social situation as being, is simply your social bubble based on skill level.

If you lacked the skill I doubt you would be in social contact with these people unless they’re long time friends and even if you were socially involved the likelihood you would be invited for higher keys would practically be zero based on your ratings.

Because this community values their time, so any time ‘wasted’ on scrubs is a missed opportunity in getting a higher RIO score.

blizzard do nothing to promote communities so most people fall outside of them.

if you were a player which spent no time on the forums…

and were new to the game and new to max level…

would you know about communities?

are they promoted in game in a way which is easy to spot ?

unless you already know they exist you will unlikely know they exist.

In our communities ilvl, rio scores, specs, etc- requirements are forbidden.

Nothing to do with skill level.
That is what you assume. I never mentioned skill level. It is a non issue.

You are free to join chill streak, failtrain, calmer keystones communities. They are open for everyone.

Again; you start about rio. We are not.

My answer would be no. Simply because i would not apply to these groups with this rating. If my IO tops out at 1000 then why would i expect to be getting into groups for a +20?
If i were running a +10 and some one with this level applied then i would possibly accept them, Obviously taking into account that 100+dps are applying to each Key so 97 people are going to be decline. this will automatically make them think they have been rejected on some toxic decision rather then the fact that there are just too many people to take…

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Every mentioned tool (raider io, warcraftlogs and etc) are just plain data and instruments. I can’t imagine raiding without logs not cause of “mah orange parses” but in a thick of battle, you can’t always notice mistakes and wipe causes. How can you improve if you don’t know what you are doing wrong in the first place?

This debate is the same about “having a knife”.
A knife? A valuable tool in gardening, food preparation and many other usefull applications.
Or a deadly weapon since it has been used as a weapon since ancient times as well?
If somebody uses a knife to stab someone. Is the knife “evil”? Should we ban all knifes…simply cause you know…somebody might use it to attack someone?

That’s still one of the few communities with a specific purpose, but what about the communities outside that? I am in a Gnome only community that does something similar as the Calmer Keystones community but it’s not like these communities are the definition of the entire playerbase.

I’ve been in enough pugs in both M+ and raids to know what people are like in general and even in the Gnome only community many people leave the raid or the community if a boss takes too long to kill.

The majority of warcraftlogs parsers and high end RIO players don’t waste their time on scrubs unless it’s to earn gold by boosting and this rubs off on the entire playerbase.

Well if this community is not based on scores and is absolutely social, these scores shouldn’t matter right?

How did people do this in the past without these tools? Or in games where these tools are practically non-existent, not supported and even a bannable offense speaking of anybody’s DPS or HPS (FFXIV)?
Yes I know there’s 3rd party tools and they’re condoned and guilds that use them in FFXIV, but any player that you bother, complain against or even simply mentioning their DPS/HPS could have the player you do it to report you for it to get you banned.

One? I already mentioned 3. And there are way more. The specific purpose is playing M+ and or raids.

Why would we care about the top 0.1%? They have no influence on us.

You mentioned one that is divided in 3 because of a cap of 1000 characters, otherwise it would simply be one, no? Aside from that 3000 characters (not 3000 players) is still not the entirety of the player base in this game.

Make that the top 5-15%

No they are 3 different one’s not one split into 3.

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Two formed afterwards because the first one was full, different management, same purpose. But regardless, is that the entire player base in WoW EU in those communities?

Compare mechanics in Vanilla "Dont stand in :poop: " versus some more complex bosses we have now.

FFXIV: If we are speaking about casual roulettes, questing, sure. But every savage running FC/static will use logs and dmg meters cause the end-game savage can be rough…and lets not even talk about ultimates. And in those difficulties, people will monitor your dps cause many bosses are dps checks, will analyze logs and absolutely WILL call you out if you are holding the group back.

Discord servers do not have a cap. It are different communities.

I am in the top 2% on M+. You are just wrong.

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Nope not at all but w/e i see you are they type who doesnt like to be wrong and know’s the ins and outs of the entire game.
If they were the same why 3 different discords? /facepalm.

Now compare FFXIV mechanics since forever and WoW since forever?

With the risk of you getting banned if somebody feels offended by you calling them out.

Oh we’re talking about Discord now… I thought we were talking about in-game communities. Are we talking about EU only or worldwide as well?

Anecdotal at best.

Most use discord or any 3rd party messaging app to communicate.
If you refuse to join those channels… well FFXIV rules doesn’t say that the group is “obligated” to invite you…
Have you even done anything above daily roulletes? Presuming you play FFXIV.

Edit: And just to make everything clear: FFXIV can only police what they can see(in-game chats). What people say to you in discord, they have absolutely no authority over…

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That is what i can say about your statements too. I am nowhere saying i know the majority of the wow-players. Obviously on these big numbers we probably do not even have contact with 1%. But i have no idea where i have to search for the people you talk about. I just searched for communities to find people to play with. I mentioned a couple of the ones i found.

This is why i started in this topic with the post you replied on;

I am not denying your experiences. Just asking in what communities you are in. I am just very surprised by your different experience.

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So what you are asking for here is actually a boost. You are saying that for the sake of being social players that have spent the time to learn how to do +20 keys should take in players that havent without any checks on how they might perform and effectivly carry them through these keys. You expect to be boosted but to not have to pay for it.

I am part of a great guild of likeminded players, we all help each other out and raid and do keys together, sometime we boost each others alts to help them gear up. Its a very social atmosphere.
I know that these players will all invest a certain amount of effort to ensure that they perform well in their assigned role and that i wont spend my valuable online time failing to achieve what we set out to do.
If i see that a player has a 2300 IO score and a good ilevel then i at least know that they have experience of the content we are about to do and there is a good chance (not always) that they will do their best to have a good run.
If i see a 750 IO player applying to do a +20 then i already know that rather than work on building their IO like i did, they want us to boost them through content that they havent done.

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Have to agree with this one. Some people are expecting a free ride and if they get refused → “BIG ELITIST mythic+ player! Raidero io is eviil, gatekeeping me! WoW is antisocial!!!”.

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Because you access Discord in-game, right? What’s next a community on Reddit?

Have you read the terms of agreement?
Use of Third Party Tools

As stated in the terms of service for FINAL FANTASY XIV: the use of third-party tools is strictly prohibited. Players who are determined to be using third-party tools will have their accounts suspended, or permanently banned for repeat offenses.

Expressions that attempt to unilaterally exclude someone from the game or content/community, etc.
(Except when in accordance with rules set by an administrator such as a Free Company Master)
Key Points
It is prohibited to make statements such as the following examples to try to kick someone from the party, content, community, etc. as if they are not qualified to participate. If a report has been filed and the prohibited activity is confirmed, a penalty will be issued.

“If you can’t do the mechanic well, maybe you shouldn’t bother joining the party.”
“If you’re going to talk like that, why don’t you just quit?”
“If you don’t understand that, you’d be wise to leave the party.”
“Let’s ignore them.”
“Let’s leave [person] out.”
“It’s not worth wasting our time, you should quit.”
“Don’t join if your equipment is that bad/such a low item level.”

Please note that Square Enix may issue a penalty in its discretion even if a report has not been filed but the act was found being conducted in public areas such as Say and Shout, search comments, Party Finder, or online video/streaming services.

  • Using accusatory expressions or sarcastic remarks without offering any constructive advice. Statements such as “people like you will never get better” are prohibited. If a report has been filed and the prohibited activity is confirmed, a penalty will be issued.

  • Attacking someone for doing something different from what you or others may feel is the norm. For example, when running Alliance Raids, or playing PvP content, it is prohibited to make statements such as “why aren’t you doing [specific thing]? Everyone knows that’s how you do this!” If a report has been filed and the prohibited activity is confirmed, a penalty will be issued.

  • There is nothing wrong with providing suggestions that the player community typically follows, but this can only be presented in the form of a “suggestion” and cannot be in the form of a demand. If said player’s actions are interfering with the gameplay of others, then a penalty can be issued once a report is filed and confirmed; however, even in this type of situation, if said player is also being attacked verbally, the penalty can be issued to both players.

  • For additional information refer to the “Expressions that unilaterally reject another person’s opinion,” and “Expressions that compel a playing style” sections below.

  • Mocking another person for making mistakes. Statements such as “how can you screw up on something so simple that no one else messes up?” are prohibited. If a report has been filed and the prohibited activity is confirmed, a penalty will be issued.

If these rules were in place in World of Warcraft a lot of people would have been banned.

Ever joined pugs for raids? Or M+? If you never had people leave the raid or M+ you must be the luckiest person alive.

Huh? I thought skill doesn’t matter? Why does it matter now? Because it’s a +20? This is exactly what I mean with the top 5-15% behavior in my previous comment.

No you’re all claiming skill doesn’t matter, until it does and then people that are lower than a certain norm are not accepted in this content.

So what exactly do these ratings tell people? That you should not accept anybody that has lower ratings than the content you’re doing. What happens next? These people that are not accepted will do the same to others “Oh I’m 1000 rated, I’m not going to accept this 200 rated player”.

Or are you saying that’s not the case?

Aside from that, perhaps this player returned to the game and is actually exceptionally skilled at his class, but you already decided not to accept him because you only look at ratings.

You are making this way too black and white and put too much responsibility in the shoes of people who create groups.

It is true there are many many groups/communities who are not having requirements at all. But this only works when also the people who apply are fair with their application.
Like why should i apply for a +30? Why would people who are doing +30’s take me? It is not fair to anybody.
The current problem seems people who never have done any content wanting to get free boosts.

This is by the way something different than people helping others out. I have run countless keys of +15 of someone else and pushed it all the way to +20. And this way those people are doing 5 keylevels higher than they have ever done.