Rumors on Reddit: Is Blizzard planning a Dungeon Finder for M+?

I don’t think you did either. You just completely ignored it every time someone brought it up.

I’ll have my secretary send out a letter to everyone in the thread I haven’t responded to, letting them know they can schedule an appointment with me at a later time for a follow-up discussion on their posts.

I get it and I don’t say it’s perfect but people always tend to assume that the scenario you describes happens to them and only to them. But that’s not the case. That’s why average is important. Is not about having the highest damage. The goal is to calculate a somewhat realistic average and to eliminate the boostee, who is gonna be far below that, correct?
So if the average is 3 and he pulls just 2, several times, then obviously it’s not the tank to blame. You can also add an amount of interrupts and CCs into that.
But if all the requirements are met, should we really be afraid of that “boostee” in a +10? Someone who is not boosted, will eventually do good anyway and it will work out in the long term. And if he doesn’t like it and is not happy with what he is getting in the solo queue, he can still return to the current system.

Solo queue is not guarantee for perfection, happyness and best WoW experience. It’s simply an addition for people who are fed up with the current system.

No, it’s only Uda arguing for completely random mixed up compositions what make zero sense.
Having a BL and CR in the group has nothing to do with elitism or tier lists.

Let’s say that’s the case because we don’t implement additional solo queue only abilities like BL and CR.
Now take a close look and the entire expansion. Outside of S3 a Shadowpriest would have never be allowed to play in most med-high queues, just like some Rogue specs and/or Warrior.
Waiting is a better option than not playing at all, don’t you think? And again, if someone is unhappy with waiting in the solo queue, he can return to the current system, that’s the great thing. We are not removing anything, we simply adding something. Because what is the option now if you are fed up with the current system? Go organize your entire life around WoW and M+ and look for 4 pre-made people who play on your skill level, have the same goals and can play at the same times.
Well… I rather take solo queue and wait a little bit if you ask me :smile:

As I said, having BL and CR is not meta slavery and it can already be covered by the healer and the tank, which would mean it does not affect dps at all. Besides that most classes offer it already that it’s gonna make groups comps easy anyway.
Remember, solo queue is not here to be the perfect and only existing game mode that offers everyone the best gaming experience. It’s just an addition.
There are tons of specs who did not get to play at all almost the entire expansion and we discussing if it’s ok if those who were not allowed to play at all should get the mode because they might be waiting a bit longer than others…

You do realize that in TBC/wotlk there was no lfr and even lfg only apperared in late patch 3.3 wotlk. It was even less accessible back then…

It’s the main argument for solo queue being bad.

It’s like a drug addict ignoring the millions of times someone says “These drugs are damaging you!”

Then you accidentally admitted it and are all “I can’t notice every single thing everyone says!”

Queue simulator of finding “game” for 30 mins is not fun. This design is fundamentally bad. All games now is click to play and not click on groups till somebody feel like inviting you. Its not what people pay sub for

If it is, it’s a pretty bad argument.

You’ll have few tanks and healers regardless of whether players rely on Group Finder or an automated queue system.

That being equal doesn’t mean an automated queue system can’t be better than Group Finder on lots of other parameters (accessibility, speed, efficiency, fairness, etc.)

So it doesn’t strike me as a very strong argument to say that when it comes to having a lack of tanks and healers, Group Finder and an automated queue system are the same!
That’s not really an argument against an automated queue system.

Lots of the people here who play tank and/or healer say they wouldn’t use it.

So if you increase the supply of DPS sevenfold but don’t increase the supply of tanks and healers, that makes queue times go down, right?

I’m not a numbers guy so you’ll need to help me here.

Then you will be playing 10s or 8s!
Ok jokes aside, you didn’t ask your question but I know what you mean. If you are far above those levels, the first run is nothing gonna happen to you, even if you decide to afk. Maybe even 3? Gotta do real maths for this and see what makes more sense.
Then if you start to underperform for whatever reason or because you are trolling, your MMR goes down but only for this range. Your push key MMR stays the same. So in case you decide to troll lower keys again, you will get matched with trolls like yourself.

Sounds like an easy solution to me.

Usually the opposite is the case. There are less good players than bad players, so you might have to wait a little bit longer than the average healer. But no worries since there is a slight healer shortage and not tanks, you will get insta invites anyway.

But since you have your question answered, I have one as well for you:
Tell me how to show a group, that does not know you, your player skill level and experience?
(you are not allowed to use any sort of pre-made for this context and I give you a hint, RIO is factually already not working so if that was something you wanted to say, think of something else)

This is a discussion with the same handful of forum regulars talking extensively to each other. I’m not sure who these “lots of people” are that you refer to. You’re invoking a false majority, which is pretty bad taste.

For who?

What you’re saying is that the people who will continue to use the Group Finder will continue to have the experience they’re currently having, and the people who use the new automated queue system will have a new experience with a new system.

Yeah.

Seems right.

Choose as you please, everyone’s happy, no one’s getting hurt.

Seems good. :+1:

Where do you get this from?
It’s like that myth that we have tank and healer shortage and how bad everything is… such non sense… people on forum keep propagandazing that into themselves while not playing the game and not seeing the reality.

Here. Where did you think I meant when I wrote “here”? Some different place?

Can you put a name on some of these “lots of people” please?

Just so we know who we’re talking about.

Who cares about these 3 people on the forum?
Are we not gonna improve the game because of 3 people on the forum who are barely playing the game anyway? lol… now if that’s the move to design a game then we can turn off the servers right now.

It’s against forum rules to name people.

Since when? If I say “Hello Gloober” I am breaking forum rules?
If I say “I earlier responded to Uda” I risk a forum ban? What a non sense :joy:

No. It’s against forum rules to name people to shame them. You’re not shaming anyone by naming the lots of people who, in this thread, have said they won’t tank or heal.

So who are they?

Well it’s not like you, Jito or myself have any say in what happens. If it’s so great why haven’t Blizzard done it yet?

Even if I name them you’ll just say “That’s not lots” even I can see that coming.

No but we are also not saying “lost of people” say this and that. And a few forum people were never a good argument for anything.

And this is the worst argument you could have made.
Same thing was said about solo shuffle and solo rbg in PvP. It was introduced. Just because something is not here yet, does not mean it’s bad and will never come.

And before someone claims that this killed PvP or failed or whatever… it’s factually false. Solo shuffle is being played more than 3s. People chose not to play the old mode.

Because they are not a lot. You know it, I know it, Jito knows it. We all know it. Even taking all the active forum people combined, it’s not a lot.
You won’t even be able to name 20 active players in a game with millions of players. So if we did not redefine the meaning of “a lot” then it’s just a fact it’s not a lot.