No. I told you 95% of players who want only a 3k+ tank for a 10 are 3k+ players, not 1k Andy.
That’s normal and you would do exactly the same.
You’re constantly trashtalking about player level in your +10 and now you want to make me believe you’re tagging with 1k players ?
Either you’re masochist / sadist or you’re a liar.
Like I said, you just want to argue, thanks for proving my point. Any decent healer and tank will still choose the LFG to have some agency over their groups, you know that and I know that. We are on the same page.
My comment was towards players like Lillith who wants to just skip the whole building rio and ilvl to get into 10’s and then get surprised when they don’t get instantly accepted to 10’s with undergeared and low rio characters and then claim “there’s no shortage of tanks because I get declined for like 5 minutes before someone is desperate enough to take me”. Now go back to arguing with Jito, I have no interest.
You can be assured in order to soloq into 10s you need all keys on 9 timed atleast once.
Also you would only be matched with ppl on your skill, so good luck getting stuck in elo hell
Imho M+ need to split into two levels of play:
The “Normal” one that is for the reward driven people who do it for gear, titles and mounts. This has to become more humane so that people spend less time loathing their fellow players for not living up to their expectations. (excessive difficulty in such content just makes the game less appealing to an aging demographic)
The “Insane” mode that is for the people who have done the above and are actually enjoying the idea of trying their hardest to get the highest key and lowest time for bragging rights
But once again missing the point. You are generalizing everything under 1 category.
IT does not work like that
Its not some pvp game where you can get “grab the first 5 whatever players show up and take off”.
Even for your kids analogy: There is a rule. The car must contain at least 2 boys before you leave the school. And what happens if there are no boys around but only a large group of girls? Thats right. You stand at the school and wait until boys show up.
So it doesn’t matter if you drive an old rusty jalopy or a Ferrari or a NASA space shuttle.
You can only take off ONCE enough boys arrive. You cant shuttle around just girls only.
Am I finally getting to you or you still fail to see the problem here and you want to shuttle around just girls(dps) and no need to worry about boys(tanks and healers)?
Im sorry. You are right. I am a bit worked out.
Touche… Maybe I should take a break if I cant read your posts clearly.
See you in a while ! 
“Normal” == keys 1-10.
“Insane” == keys 11 and up.
Your wish has been granted.
No, it is you who misunderstand me.
Because I don’t agree that they have the same cause.
I’ll give an example.
Fairness.
Players in LFG are unfair in who they pick for their groups. They don’t pick the people who have waited the longest, or the people who are reasonably suited for their groups that applied first.
People always pick the best candidates. The ones with the best gear, the highest ratings, the best resume.
So people are biased in who they pick.
You say DPS wait a long time to get invites, but in truth a DPS who plays a meta spec and has incredible gear and super high rating doesn’t have very long wait time, because that DPS is always the first pick for any group leader.
So LFG wait times are incredibly skewed with great disparity between top players and bottom players, because players show incredible bias and always choose the best option. It’s a zero sum process.
An automated queue system is more fair in how it constructs a group, because it will not forego putting a decent player into a group in favor of waiting for a better player. It will simply make many adequate and decent groups very quickly, instead of only making a few meta groups and taking a long time to do so.
This has nothing to do with a shortage of tanks or healers, but everything to do with the selection bias that players show toward the people they invite for their groups and the people they don’t invite.
Does clearing everything at 10 key gives every possible reward in that season?
I am trying to separate the reward driven people from those who actually enjoy M+ here
You are free to create your own group to invite whoever you want. The system is fair, but fairness is not what people want, they want things to be handed to them
Because the cause allows them to?
If I put up a key as a tank or healer and I get 50 applicants showing up
Why shoulnt I pick the best 3 out of the 50? I cant take all 50 with me now, can I?
If the deficit roles would be reversed and we had a DPS shortage then ofc, I would take petty much anyone who seems somewhat descent so we can get the key going.
Considering there is a reward for the top 1% (or is it 0,1%) that gives a title, no. There’s also the reward for 3k score.
No, but the process of players forming a group in LFG takes time. That time will be quicker with an automated queue system.
That’s where the time is saved.
And when you save time in the group-making process, then players have less time wasted, which means they can run more dungeons in the same period of time.
You basically optimize the dungeon / hour metric.
And the better the dungeon / hour metric is for all the tanks and healers, the more groups you can make in total.
Ergo the total number of groups running Mythic+ goes up if the process to create groups is more efficient.
That’s pretty basic optimization of operations. Works anywhere. And that’s what the car analogy explains. It’s not flawed, you’re just struggling to understand it (or I’m struggling to explain it).
Well I think it is fair to keep that for the crazy people who love M+
Anything else u can get from 10 and below.
OK. What does this mean?
It means that there are 10 keys, because there are only 10 tanks available. And 90 DDs applying for said keys. The 30 most “OP meta” are chosen. The rest of the 60 “decent” DDs are left behind.
Is that the problem?
Tell me Jito. What would happen for a moment if you had 30 keys (aka, 30 tanks) instead of just 10. Who would get left behind?
Would there be a problem to begin with?
Are you sure it has nothing to do with healer/tank shortage?
they keep changing the key scale and it has confused me quite a lot
I mean… we are currently literally able to spam dungeons, with cherrypicking the dungeon, as tank and healer. You aren’t going to make that metric faster with automation.
Not to mention; the healers and tanks arent in the automated version.
And the brunt of that time is waiting for a tank/healer. For your “driver” to come.
If it takes 8 minutes as a healer/tank to find a group, what you are really optimizing for are those 8 minutes.
Not the 2h a DD has to wait for said tank/healer.
Any system has advantages and drawbacks. INCLUDING a SoloQ. INCLUDING the LFG tool.
So basically you are suggesting a system with its own set of drawbacks, who’s only benefit is to reduce those 8 minutes of wait time for tanks and healers.
Not worth it. Better to fix the root cause: The 2h of DD waiting for a tank and a healer.
You are failing to explain, how will you optimize empty air?
Bread needs flour(as an example). How can you optimize to make more bread out of… empty flour bags? Will your optimization somehow produce more flour in the process or something?