You’re just clutching at straws by claiming that premades are taking place in Blitz. It’s virtually impossible for queue syncing but hey, if it makes you sleep better at night then believe what you want.
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Not really. Many are geared and as Delenis said, have 900-1100 hp.
You find noobs, veterans, and everything in between.
On the contrary, I was being very precise.
What is “the queue sync variant of premades”?
Groups that have to synchronize their invites to land in the same round.
Small groups up to 5 don’t have to do this, only groups larger than 5, that is, premade raids.
Good, yet there are people in this thread who also want to restrict queuing as a small group. The word “premade” is used for every constellation of a pre-arranged group that joins into a team together. It is important to differentiate between the ones who bend the rules by queue syncing and those who play by the rules and only queue with up to 5.
It would make the queue times longer and suck for everyone who does not play solo.
If they want to even the odds to help solo players over groups of friends, they should go the handicap route.
Queuing casual bgs in a small group of friends has always been allowed throughout the entire 20-year-long history of the game. It is a safe bet to assume it will stay this way.
It’s absolutely not. The difference between leveling greens and PvP greens you can buy for gold is like night and day. If you play with leveling greens, you are a burden for your team, if you play with PvP greens, you can somewhat pull your weight.
My warrior pal got his old account permabanned and we had to buy him a new one. He boosted his new character to 70 and had 424 in every slot. I went to the AH and bought him a full set of gear for some gold, then we immediately started queuing bgs as a duo to get him geared and guess what? He could pull his weight instead of leeching off his team. We got him fully conquest / hellbloom geared within just 10 hours.
Would you really prefer to be a burden on your team rather than to spend like 20k gold on some cheap PvP greens?
I get it why people don’t buy them out of ignorance because they don’t know that this option exists, but if you know about it and still refuse to buy them and then you are less useful for your team as a result, that’s pretty selfish.
That’s nice anecdotal evidence right there, but who’s more likely to put effort into winning the round for their team, the player who cares about their gear, or the guy who doesn’t give a damn and leeches off others when they could easily be more useful just by spending a trivial amount of gold?
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It definitely happens and I have proof. Will post soon when I get on my PC but it’s no coincidencw when the queue always has to reset because of declines. It’s people in discord queueing up and trying to sync it and resetting until everyone gets it together.
I was doing a stretch of blitz last night and when the other team in the first 2 minutes are so well organised, geared and rutheless, have all 3 carts capped and defended and camping our spawn point. You know for a fact it’s a full premade, we didn’t stand even a small chance and they won 1500 to our 30. It was so extremely one-sided that its beyond any normal random casual kind of BG. Not a doubt
Do you know what happens when someone declines a queue? They go to the back of the line so they have to requeue. It is very unlikely that the queue will pop up for them straight away again as it often does when there’s a string of instant declines. It may seem fishy and of course some people will try to queue sync but to suggest a whole team from one side is premade is ludicrous.
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Even if it ever happened, I highly doubt it would be the 80 or 90% of the time like the mage above says.
That smell to seeking justification for her defeats and not accepting her share of the fault.
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From my experience I’d say random bgs 90% of the time have grouped up players in them, but I’d say that definitely well over 50% of all casual random bgs are full 10/ 15-man premades all queue syncing using discord.
As for the other response, how do you know for a fact that you goto the back of the queue if you decline? If that were true then premades would hardly ever get in and yet from my experience the queue pops again almost instantly regardless.
Yea I wanted to see for myself how it’s all done and that seems to be the case.
Let me doubt it. And I play a lot of Bgs. Normally in a group of 2-5 players and without discord. If half of the 10/15 bgs were synchronized premades, it would mean, unless they were very bad, that I would lose half of my games, and that is not the case.
Synchronized Bgs are usually played in epic Bgs.
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If only this was always the case, but it just isn’t, never has been. The amount of well geared players I see, with honour level in the 100’s and they still have zero awareness of flags, still just run with the pack, regardless of what is going on elsewhere. Loads of them literally couldn’t care less about anything other than grinding HK’s, the green geared guy though, usually more interested in winning cos he actually needs the wins for gear. And again, why spend gold when it’s so easy and fast to get honour level greens? Being a burdon, it’s a flipping random battleground man, get a grip, you’re not playing pro level esports, once again, someone taking basic old casual PVP and trying to pretend like it’s some hardcore gaming… jesus wept.
Yes, how else would you call people who join bgs with 200k HP, especially if they occupy a healer slot? They can’t contribute in any way that would be useful. -1 player slot essentially. They are entirely reliant on other players in their team to compensate for their poor performance and to hardcarry them. They are a burden. Plain and simple.
What makes it worse is that they could easily be more useful, but aren’t. What do they gain? They save 20k Gold, (roughly 1€ in real world money) . I hope that’s worth letting all the people in your team down and also diminishing your own win chances in the process.
It doesn’t matter that random bgs are not a serious Esport. When you are working in a team with other people towards a common goal, you should make a valid contribution to ensure mutual success and not leech off of others. A society consisting only of parasites doesn’t work, and a team where everyone relies on others to carry them will get rekt and nobody in it will have fun.
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If you join a bg with 200k hp (as in you didnt even equip leveling greens) you are a burden to your team. You are required to be carried.
You cannot carry the flag. You cannot heal me. You cannot kill the fc. You cannot hold a node. You cannot clear a node. You cannot tank even graveyard npcs in AV. You die to one mortal strike.
It takes 2000 or so gold to buy 2 pvp trinkets from the AH. Combine this with 2 crafted pieces, a trophy of strife piece (which you can complete while leveling) and a few bloody token pieces (which you can get from wqs while leveling, and warchests for currency) and you should never be in a scenario where you join bgs with less than 400k hp.
It is not about it being an eSport, its about respecting other peoples time. For the same reason you dont take your tractor onto the motorway during rush hour, you dont take your cosmic gladiator 285 ilvl geared resto shaman into bgs. You immediately tell me that you dont care about anyones time but your own, and worse still, you expect these people, whose time you just wasted, to carry you to victory.
These ‘people’, if we are generous and count them among humankind, are disgusting.
The one exception to this are extremely new players - but if you are honour level 30+ or 5,000+ aps, you have zero excuse.
just join battleground blitz simple as that, no premades there. Epic bgs well who cares.
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You can do allsorts to be useful in an EBG in greens, you can cap and recap towers, mines, graveyards, use vehicles, cc for people. If you think people everybody is gonna change the way they have geared up ever since he game began, just because some other people want to treat randoms as super serious and need BiS with all their pals with them, you’re sadly mistaken. People will always use BG’s to gear up like they always have done, once again, the serious BG’s where trolling people about gear and abilities, is arena or rated. Randoms are randoms, new players, long time returning players, players new to specs, people with all kinds of disabilities, undergeared players, players who just want to mess about… those are the things you can and should expect from randoms.
What are you smoking, man???
Of course, those PvP Greens from AH are super helpful, you will NOT be a useless 300k hp leecher just getting carried by your teammates… “honour is easy to get” if you don’t mind being a leecher, not providing anything useful to win the game…
Well, here I agree with you, and I think it SHOULD be that way, but it isn’t.
It is pretty obvious that this is not the case anymore, and at this point, everyone (who is not a new player) should know better and get some gear (AH, WPvP) before entering BGs. Even for twinks, you can buy BOA-honor to get your blue honour gear instantly
…also people who play with friends in groups of 2-5 players, which has always been allowed too. And yet, there are people in this thread that say that is a premade and should NOT be allowed…
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Lets gear an arms warrior for PvP and see just how little time we need to spend in shadowlands gear.
- we do our spark quest while leveling. We now have 8 sparks.
- transfer over 3k honour or whatever it is to buy a pvp chest for the quest item.
- we go to the crafting table and place our order. since we’re a warrior, thats usually infurious warboots of reprieve and either a chest/shoulders/helmet.
– on your realm that totals to 2496g in infurious alloys,
– 1200g in primal molten alloys
– 438g in obsidian seared alloys
– 4g in large sturdy femurs
– 80g in a verdant conduit embellishment
– and 19g in a missive, for a total of 4237g. - after crafting these, the next thing to do is head to the auction house and pick up 2 verdant combatant trinkets. these cost 900g on your realm, x2, thats 1800g.
- we now have 2 armour pieces and 2 trinkets. we have spent 6,000g. lets get some more gear and keep it under 10k total.
– on your realm i can pick up 4 pieces of plate armour: helm, belt, bracer and legs, for 899g each - a total of 3596g. - we now have 6 pieces of armour, 2 trinkets and we have spent a total of 9,500g. if you want you can spend your 8 sparks on another piece of armour right away, or save them and buy a weapon.
9500g. lets see how long that takes to get. well, no time at all really because we already have it from leveling, but lets pretend we have literally zero gold.
no problem. we can literally just do wqs for 45 minutes and gain this much gold from the map right now:
all of the above takes a grand total of an hour and a half, if that, and it means you enter the bg at 440 ilvl rather than 200 ilvl. spending an hour and a half making yourself not total dead weight is not a big ask. if you spend an extra 10k gold btw, you can gear your entire character besides weapon in 463 gear - giving you 470 or so ilvl after you include your crafted pieces.
this is not a big ask. it is bare minimum.
have some common decency and do the bare minimum - im not even asking you to enchant your gear (which i see you don’t do), i’m just asking you to be able to survive a single aimed shot. you are playing a social game, in a team mode. again - do the bare minimum so that people like myself don’t have to put you on our backs and walk you to less than 50% winrates.
every single time you queue up without doing the bare minimum you are explicitly stating “yep, i know 14 of you just sat a 5-10 minute queue, and i know you want to win, and i know this bg is gonna take 5-15 mins - but i dont care. i do not care that 14 of you are going to waste collectively a few hours worth of time so that i don’t have to do an hour and a half worth of work on my character in an MMO - and im going to do this repeatedly, for days, while losing almost every bg”
Question - do you return the trolley when you go to the supermarket?
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Priskah, Leeches and Fistus you are all assuming that most people who join random or ebgs want to put up an effort about gear. They don’t and they won’t. It’s not new.
It’s a mentality that has grown over the years. Those many many players choose the way of least resistance to get whatever they are after, even if it involves other players carrying them.
Like it or not ,it won’t change just because you lots write essays about it.
The absolutely biggest difference is that many players go there to have a bit of fun, relax and just fool around. Thats’ in my opnion the best thing about random and ebgs. Lots still have fun, one of the few places in wow where it’s still happening, and that’s why it’s a disaster that all the premades are now trying to take away that fun for those players.
Do I agree with people showing up in rubbish, unenchanted gear? Nope I’m also getting annoyed with the 300k healer, players coming into a bg with full pve gear, or all the afkers and not one enchant or food/flasks, but if I don’t like it I can just stay away.
Instead I could join Arenas or rbgs, but omg the cesspool of wannabees who think they are worth more than other human beings in a GAME, because they have a good rating or top gear or top whatver, choose your pick.
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And you and others keep humming the same mantra, “Blitz is working as intended”
All these threads (and your last sentence here) imply that premades should NOT be allowed because they are unfun for the OPPONENTS. In your two first sentences, you imply that such dead-weight players are unfun for their TEAMMATES, but it is something that we have to accept.
This is kind of paradoxical, don’t you think? ^^
If “we” have to accept that some players can join as dead-weight, you gotta accept that “we” want to avoid those leeching random teammates and therefore play in premades (and I include queue-syncing in EBGs here). To a large degree, premades are not the root of the problem but a symptom of the imbalance (gearing) in PvP.
The peak of comedy is when those “dead-weight-players” come to the forum and complain about enemy premades, because “they are the reason I can’t win” 
Na dude, maybe it is your mentality and your lack of performance (And I don’t speak of eSport level here, I speak of basic stuff which has been mentioned by Leeches and Fistus in detail)
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Lol I just read all that and all I can say is imagine thinking people actually know all of this stuff exists. This is the fault of blizz devs making the gearing up systems so convoluted and far-spread.
I knew I could do some of this to gear up, but instead I used random BG’s to gear up initially as a useless 400hp pleb. I did objectives and within about 2 hours I had full green pvp gear.
That’s all people should logically have to put together. If they’re choosing to do pvp, and there’s vendors selling pvp gear, then all they would need to do is play some pvp to get the pvp gear and gear up.
Nobody’s gonna be doing all this other crap to get gear to then grind for the pvp gear. Hell, most players don’t even think you would have to do any of this stuff.
You’re nitpicking and playing semantics to try and sound smart. You know premades are unfun for the opponents but that doesn’t mean literally everything that’s considered ‘unfun’ has to be hardline abolished. The nature of pvp and especially random BG’s is that you will get low gear players trying to get some gear so they can play pvp. You should probably encourage them rather than complain and push away or taint any new pvpers.
Isn’t this the premise of all these threads against premades though?..
The nature of PvP is playing against other players in a competitive scenario and try to win against them. Willingly going in with 0 gear and even queueing as a healer, knowingly being a leecher and providing your team with a low chance to victory is quite some edited by moderator behaviour. If it was only you, ok, but in BGs you are wasting the time of a lot of teammates in the process.
New players can’t know better, but everyone else (and that must be at 90%+ of those lowies) should have gotten the message at this point… As Amirra wrote: A lot of them just don’t care. So I don’t care for them either.
I agree here, unfortunately, WoW is an MMORPG with a lot of stuff that “you should know”. It really sucks for new players and players who “just want to play the game”. It SHOULD be an option to ding level 70 and instantly start playing unrated BGs to gear up in/for that play mode.
This. So much this.