Seems like 80-90% of BG lately are premade and it has made me tired of PvP

Just an ordinary rating flame I assume.

They can, its called RATED ā€¦

But they wont, cause there they burst in 3 seconds.

So, kick them of the esport or the other leave.

thats what i like to hear

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I honestly couldnā€™t care less what groups they end up in, all I know is the current system doesnā€™t work, so many players absolutely hate BGā€™s right now due to all the groups and premades. Thousands upon thousands of players that get their games ruined on a daily basis so they no longer bother playing, that needs to be fixed.

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and if they just invite 1 pal and queue, then fine, they wouldnā€™t get thrown into the 5 man mix, only the 5 mans and as far as I care, thatā€™s on them for rolling 5 mans. Way to many people wanting to be men in a childs playground on here, itā€™s embarrasing.

Believe it or not, people like to play a multiplayer game with their friends.
Thatā€™s allowed. :joy:

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Believe it or not, you could still play with your friends even if you were playing against other groups of friends but for some reason all the groups seem to be terrified of that.

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You donā€™t return your shopping trolley

I am not excited about the prospect of waiting 30 mins in queue to be able to play one round instead of 3 if I am in a group of 3.
I already have a similar experience in RBGs, which take forever to fill.

Besides, we face groups similar to our own all the time. How can we be terrified of them? We managed to defeat the strongest among them, even premade raids without being in a premade raid ourself.

Do you think I would advocate for the handicap solution if I wanted to play in a 5 stack all the time and stomp solo casuals? I want to level the playing field so that solo players stand a fairer chance against groups without ruining the queues. We would not bother playing RBGs at all if we wouldnā€™t be be willing to fight well prepared teams.

At the moment, playing in a full 5 stack offers many major advantages and no drawbacks. Control over the specs you bring and quality of your players, superior communication, the potential to eliminate slots that could be filled with useless random players just to name a few.

The larger the group, the more pronounced these advantages become. Since the advantages increase with every additional premade member, it is logical to counterbalance this with a penalty in form of a debuff that increases with every member, so that the disadvantage for the opponents who may not be that well connected arenā€™t too large.

This is how they should improve the experience for solo players and smaller groups while keeping random bgs attractive for its diverse player base, both in skill and preferred group size.

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just like most of us arenā€™t interested in waiting 5-10 minutes in a queue, just to get faced with insurmountable odds, thus wasting the 5-10 minutes plus the 15-40 minutes it takes for the BG. As I said, thereā€™s loads of 5 mans, putting them in thier own pool once they queue into 5ā€™s would have very little effect on the queues as thereā€™d be plenty of 5+5ā€™s to = 10 or 15 easily, the whole queue times things is pure pap.

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Also, in the same post you mention wanting to level the playing field but want advantages, which one is it?

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I think the point is not ā€œI want advantagesā€, but ā€œI donā€™t want to be on disadvantage because of other random peopleā€

I guess we all agree that we would prefer playing ā€œfairā€ games, but WoW PvP doesnā€™t provide that because of a lot of reasons. Now, it is just natural that players try to improve their chances by the fair means the game provides (and one of them is bringing your own teammates).

Nah, you were trying to make a thing out of my rating. Pathetic. So tell, what rating do I need to post in the random bg forum? Do you get to decide? Man get over youself.

I love how you try to take this ambiguous sob story about some bad once that hurt you so deeply that you have to run premades and scour the random bgs. Get the hell out of here with that crap. And thatā€™s how you play fair? Thatā€™s fair? Your synched premade running people into the ground? Thatā€™s like joining a competitive sport and showing up with a machine gun, mowing down the competition with firepower.

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why u ask, if u already know then? :upside_down_face:

The way you speak up to me? At least 2k, pleb

:point_down:

If I have the choice, I prefer to be the one farming GYs instead of being farmed because of non-performers like you :wink: Getting up to other 4 players to play random BGs with me ainā€™t that difficult, look for some ingame communities or friends, you can do that too!

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Spare me the drama speech about how you have no choice. Poor premade, thereā€™s a sob story about how this once someone underperfomed and now they have to synch their premades. God that sounds so stupid.

And whatā€™s an underperformer anyway? How do you arbitrarily decide who performs and who does not? Cause from what Iā€™m seeing seems itā€™s based on them speaking up against synched premades in randoms.

Nah, all this big boy talk, this arrogance just does not ring right because in the end you need an organized army to enter randoms. Itā€™s pathetic.

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Only the masive queues scare us, not playing agaisnt other premade. We find many premades every day.

I dont want to wait one hour in queue to play.

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Separate queues for 5s only? ok.
You guys will still complain about all the 4 stacks then, so I donā€™t see how this would solve your problem. Every other size than 5 would make team composition very awkward and impractical, so you canā€™t really give 2, 3, 4 player groups their separate queues.

The 5 stacks who team up primarily for the advantages would then just stop at 4 to get quicker queues.

Iā€™m saying playing in premades HAS advantages.
I play in 2-3 player groups most of the time for the social aspect first and foremost and to make sure that there are people in my team who care about playing the objectives, unlike most random teammates.

A solo player canā€™t choose their teammates, so to compensate them for that, I suggest slightly nerfing premade groups. The larger the group size, the larger the debuff. Large premade groups would have more control over the quality of their players and better communication, but less fighting power as individuals, solo players would have the highest fighting power but would have to gamble with their teammates, medium-sized groups would be in between.

I would like to move away from the current system where larger groups are just flat out better to win more often and move to a system where every group size is viable and offers benefits as well as drawbacks.

I still canā€™t see what justifies premades in random Ebattlegrounds. Why are you guys so afraid of another group match?

If the answer is thereā€™s only a rbg as an option, why donā€™t you guys put up the effort and convince Blizzard to make adjustments so you can fight other premades in a new unrated bg?!

Imo the option can never be that you take your premade and go and ruin the game for players in another type of bgs, simply because of your size, itā€™s power in being many and coordinated attacks ā€“ and because your excuse is that you have nowhere else to go.

Especially the part ā€less fighting power as individualsā€, wouldnā€™t make a difference. When you get the players one by one or 1-2 at a time, they are mostly not outstanding and you can kill them just as any other player. They are not some kind of elite soldier with excellent power skills, they are normal players who draw their strength from being MANY in coordinated attacks , but when you single them out (if you even have the chance) they are nothing outstanding.

Your model doesnā€™t change anything. At best it gives the solo players a false impression of being buffed and therefore being able to stand a chance against the premade. But they donā€™t.
The strength in premades are the numbers and the coordinated attacks, also when strategy is changed itā€™s done united.

Most attacks are done with the power of the the full group, gy camping are done with so many that each player who ress is dead before the next player is ressed. Players donā€™t ress 10 at a time.

I like the idea of changes, but with premades getting their own group queue.

Premades win not just more often, they win 99.9% of the time in ebgs, and players know that thatā€™s why so many leave when they realise that itā€™s a premade, making the odds for the remaining group even worse.

Premades and soloplayers in ebgs just donā€™t match in any form.

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Bout the reason why you live online and look like him