Serious issues with M+ this expansion

First problem: No loot out of M+. I have done 5 M+ today no loot feels good or?
Second problem: DD´s die in every edited by moderator thing… They got 2,5k+ Rating but dont know mechanics or how to kick… I dont know
Third problem: 99% of Healers are terrible really terrible… But yeah Blizzard tuned for the 0,1% of the player base
Last problem: What genius thought that the only way to get Mythic gear is the +10 Vault or even the Crest behind +9 Keys?

People are struggle with +7 key with 620Gs…
Only 5% of all M+ players cleared +10Keys

Good Game

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lol plus some keys at 10 seem to be unupgradable - stonevault as an example lol

the answer is ? yes ?

game should teach people organicaly .

if it doesnt - its failing from game desgner point of view.

wow is overall wya to complicated - has way to many buttons to be considered abjoable game by 2024 standards.

its doing horrible job teaching players anything during levelign exactly because its so complicated.

there is a reason why classic / sod are so popular and populated.

a lot - a lot of people crave those easier times of 2-3 spells rotations.

the particiaption ratios of m+ will plummet into ground when most of people realise that even at 619 itlv they have no chance to do +9s and 10s.

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While this may be true, I don’t see DPSes using defensives in pugs either - apart from
a Mage’s shield. And with the damage profile of some abilities, it is close to mandatory to use nowadays.

I’d argue that it’s not just the healers, healers have just covered for slacking DPSes for quite some time; that’s currently not completely possible anymore.

Spending 5 hours trying to upgrade keys and every one of them failing not only is a waste of time, but very frustrating and just leaves you annoyed.

yea, it´s really a back and forth. I´ve had to heal through 3 monstrosities at once to finish (but not time) a +6 NW because you cannot find a single dps in a pug that can play that dungeon.
And with the amount of setups i spent getting us through a 7 COT (last boss overlaps where insane, no idea if the nerfs did help), it was less of a hassle getting through a 14 last saison.

they clearly had other plans though

their tuning on day 2 of dvelves is showing this. they just backed down because they realise that if dvelves are not total absolute success - their jobs are on the line as microsoft wont play with incompetent dev teams like blizzard did in past.

thats why they instant nuked down the diffuculty next day.

day 2 dvelves were close to current m+ in tuning. but people instantly cried on forums how undair it is.

with m+ you have a crowd of tryhard mythic raiders defending this system - as its giving them back “their spot” as only ones with mythic gear.

reality is - without raiding mythic or investing ungodly amoutn of time - you are not progressing m+ this season . end of story .

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And what makes it worse is this is not +10 keys, it’s 2, 3 and 4. It’s a joke really lol

yeah pretty much my experience on week 1 of seaosn - after wasting 3 evenings i just given up on them for now. gonna come back months in with 619 meta tank or aug or whatever will be in highest demand after MDI just for portals :slight_smile:

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I mean if you cant clear +7 Keys just run Delvs for Vault and log of. Same result in around 30min

Its not worth playing dungeons under +7 with this gear system

Yeah, which makes the design of m+ right now hilarious.

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Solo/world players wanted content whose rewards reach into mid-level raiding and M+. The argument was “different people like different things, more options are better”.
So now you can either farm delves or M+ based on what you like. People literally got what they asked for.

Everybody asked for exactly the same thing? Man, you talk a lot of rubbish.

The point you’re ignoring is the options aren’t even close to equal. Go into a delve, headbutt the keyboard and get a 603 / 610. It’s far far harder to get the equivalent loot in M+.

I don’t recall people asking for that? Maybe you can point it out.

But the only options now is Delvs for new players who wanne get gear.

BT8 Delv = 603 Gear 100% loot for you. If you find a Map 610 Gear
Same gear M5+ 20% chance to get it
M+7 same gear as Map 610 20% chance

T8 Delv 616 Vault 30min Time for 3 slots
+7 Key for 616 Vault 4-6 Hrs

Pls tell me this is a good designe

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I feel physical pain when I have to grind world content for keys and delves bore the hell out of me, so if I were to gear an alt I’d take it to low keys instead.
Bam! options.
People always complain about difficulty of both M+ and delves so I don’t take them at face value. I did both and didn’t feel much of a difference in terms of personal skill required.

Yeah but the personal skill required isn’t particularly high for M+ or delves. The problem is the 4 other people in the group who can easily throw the key and whether the difficulty of the content is on the correct level to be pugged.

Yeah it’s always the 4 other people holding everyone back :smiley:

Mate you are weird. You tell us you love to waste time to gear your alts?
You hate to spend 1hr for 4x 603 loot, instead you spend hrs to search people to boost your green chars in low m+?

Haha, well they nerfed tanks so it’s much harder to carry boss fights and mobs on fort without wiping and costing time.

They seemed to have increased the amount of unavoidable damage to heal up and made tanks squishier putting pressure on healers.

Also because health pools are much higher on mobs and bosses, the dps requirements are higher so the DPS need to be pumping harder.

Previously it was much easier to carry as a tank or healer or dps.

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I’d rather PLAY the game for 4 hours than FARM mind numbing content for (what you claim is) 1hour but is probably more.