Now that i agree on. Of course it has to make sense. For example there can be Racism between Orcs and Humans since both commited realy bad crimes against each other or Bloodelfs and Trolls. But the things you mentioned are of course not existant in WoW.
The only thing i could come up with is something like “Oh no i’m noble xy my son/daugher is gay and i wont have an heir to continue my bloodline” but that can be played differently then beeing anti gay.
I don’t mind exploring heavy issues in a group where we’ve all known each other well for years, we all agreed what we were doing when we started and we understand boundaries.
Some randos in Stormwnd? I absolutely do not trust to explore heavy issues well.
As said before, a character with that world view would also have a problem with infertility or celibacy so the problem in of itself doesn’t come from a place of homophobia.
I think an apology might be owed. I didn’t put enough time and effort to read the posts, and after how many people argued in favour of homophobic RP the last time this thread popped up, I saw a lot of the same buzzwords and talking points and didn’t realise they were actually being applied elsewhere. Wasn’t in a great mood when I made the post, and yeah I probably should’ve been more curteous.
Sorry.
Maybe just log off the forums until your mood improves.
Dont be so sure; I refuse to associate with anyone who doesn’t fall somewhere between Phoenician Purple and Dechala Lilac on the Gamesworkshop paint range chart.
I don’t think you were particularly rude tbh.
Okay but what about the Vallejo range?
Sounds like you’ve been painting your Citadel miniatures with non-Citadel paints, and that’s heresy.
A SWAT team is enroute to your location.
They can pry the smooth, easy coating Vallejo metal colour range from my cold, dead hands.
I really liked your post but I really want to highlight esp. this part.
The thing is, prejudices can be based on really -anything- you have experienced in the past. I have brought this example up in the past, but I’ll bring it up again, since it can happen in WoW:
Imagine a character being rejected by somebody of the opposite sex they really liked, because they reveal they prefer their own gender/another race/ whatever.
That there is enough for some people (certainly in IRL, so why not in WoW?) to go mad/grow a negative perception of the said gender/people, even if they didn’t step away from the norm or whatever. Doesn’t matter, the slight is personal and they hate it.
Now you could say that that’s not homophobia or sexism or whatever- But the thing is, even if the said topics weren’t the cause of the said bias, they are still the victim of it. So the end result is the same. Where do you draw the line, is it ok or not?
I don’t know if I’m just too gigabrained or whatever, but I’m not really sure I can imagine or relate to that at all. If a character (or a person) grows hatred for an entire gender/race/sexuality because they got rejected, I’d think they were more of a cave troll incel and the reason why they got rejected was that instead of the other reasons, but whoever rejected them just didn’t want to be rude.
The example would be better in WoW settings had the experience been something like murder or other heinous crimes, but since Danuser has said that ‘nah there’s no such thing in Azeroth’, I wonder whether most characters are intelligent enough to know that one person’s actions do not reflect on their group.
In general, your character has to be hella dumb to paint entire groups with the same brush. And at that point, I’d ask why you’d want to have such a character that holds bigoted views anyway, since that just becomes a very one-dimensional and boring, yet still a racist/homophobic/sexist character.
I do not care if your character is of any color.
I do not care for your character’s sexuality.
People are different, that’s fine.
But when you are trying to put the skin of your character/sexuality of your character on front display and making it a “main” thing of the character - that’s just poor taste.
In my opinion - you do not need “LGBTQ+ friendly” in your TRP. Because if you are a sensible person - you are already okay with that and do not need to wave flag and scream about it.
Same thing actually applies to different side of the barricades.
If the only notable quality of your character is that it hates men/women/people that look different to him/her(While being of the same species, mind you) - that’s just a poor taste.
cool, i wonder where’s the but…
ah…
Problem with that is, for the player it may not be a ‘main’ thing of the character. They may just have a partner and do all the things other partnerships do. But when they’re anything but heterosexuality, that’s putting it on front display, right?
I don’t really think ‘LGBTQ+ friendly’ is waving a flag and screaming about it. In truth, I’ve seen enough on General Discussions (and even on AD forums), that I’ve subconsciously already dimmed down mentions about my character’s sexuality or felt very uncomfortable talking about it, because I’d be afraid of the response.
I wouldn’t have that when I know the other party isn’t bigoted, and they can do so without waving a flag or screaming about it by just saying they’re LGBTQ+ friendly.
It is poor taste, so poor that it even breaks terms of service rules, depending on how far their hatred/language used goes. But in general, if someone had a character like that, I’d already want to stop playing with the person.
However, I’m not sure if the first part of your post is in very good faith It’s something I’ve heard too many times, and in majority of those cases, even a slight mention of their sexuality is ‘putting it on front display’. In some cases, they’ll also say ‘oh but I don’t like it when straight couples do it as well!’, but somehow they’re always silent when a straight couple kisses. 
You don’t need to look far IRL to find these kind of people, Nerathion. SM alone is full of people like this, and even if only a fraction of them turn out to be as radical as they claim, that’s still plenty-a people.
Biases are incredibly easy to pick up and are stronger still when put under scrutiny.
Exactly my point.
See, here’s the onion. That’s the thing, there is no good rebuttal to it. Yes, you can question the motives and morals behind the action and the character, but you can not deny that, logically speaking, there shouldn’t be anything to stop it. Unless the setting we’re in literally has a wall in our characters minds that prevents such thoughts, which is one way you can take Danuser’s message.
But that once again returns me to my point: Racism and Sexism need not be the source of bias (as Danuser says), but they can very much still be the victim of it, as the example very clearly shows.
Right, let me explain.
I do not mind people roleplaying characters of any sexuality.
I wouldn’t like straight people and gay people alike making out in the middle of the event.
Maybe “I don’t care” sounds harsh, but that’s what it is. I do not care. You are free to do whatever you like(As long as it is does not break ToS).
And about bringing the sexuality of your character up. If you do it in a -right- time - then i’m fine. For example, when the topic of a casual talk comes to it. But when you’re mentioning it literally a few minutes after meeting a person - that’s weird. It goes for the both sides of the barricades as well.
(Sorry for not doing fancy reply stuff, I’m not a regular forum user)
I see people talk about this from time to time like its a common thing, but I have never actually seen that happens ingame.
Yeah, it’s not common. But I’ve seen it personally a few times. Once again, performed by both sides.
I haven’t read posts after this, but PLEASE. THEY ARE NOT NIGHT ELVES. They are from a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT world that also worships Elune. elune in NOT exclusive to Night Elves, nor Azeroth.