Im talking about elemental shaman, i know that enhance was nerfed. But elemental in pvp ideally using 1h+shield. And WOE or earth shield. But i think WOE is overall stronger. As far as I know, flametongue doesn’t give spellpower yet, so you don’t even have to sacrifice it for tankiness.
Raid logs dispel the notion that Holy Pladins are behind in terms of HPS, if anything Resto Shamans are the worst healer out there when it comes to pumping heals to recover massive damage.
Before this damage reduction test fiesta, in pvp, as a specced resto shaman I often had situations where I couldn’t keep a warrior up against two knowledgeable players with NS+Maxrank Healing Wave+ Riptide. The burst was that ridiculous.
This is what you can gather from the logs, Shaman is way the hell behind in terms of healing power and the situation was garbage in P1, P2 and until P3 rolled around and Riptide+ Tidal Waves was aquired -which alleviated the issues somewhat.
I don’t think anyone decent plays with WoE anymore. Earth Shield is outright stronger atm due to the damage reduction aura test and Shamanistic Rage will be better after it since Elemental is a very mana hungry spec. And against melees you kinda do want to get crit since that procs Eye of the Storm and allows you to finally cast without pushback:
Which is a long way of saying WoE is a nonissue.
So now we are getting somewhere… it is strong in the hands of a good player but not unbeatable and deserving of nerfs to “bring it back to irrelevancy” as the posts above call for.
You also can’t do everything at once, If you flame shock you can’t interrupt anymore or slow, if you interrupt you can’t do the other things and so on. And you are always severely limited by range… which is key for other classes to use and destroy an elemental shaman.
And what is your solution? let’s nerf Riptide? The best spell that happened to the Resto Shaman kit that we’ve been waiting since P1 for?
Are Resto Shamans the big bad healers of pvp out there or is it actually Priests?
If we’d take this thread to heart and implement all the nerfs everyone is asking you’d get this:
No mana regen from Shamanistic Rage since it is a defensive cooldown, Nerf WoE even further so as to kill off Shaman Tanks, nerf Elemental because it does damage and what you end up with is every Resto(lol al 5 of us) and Ele Shaman out there will just respec to Enhancement- the real problematic spec, genius idea.
“just heal”
what part of “he can hit me through the bubble” did you not understand? did you forget already?
he can do more than hit me, i guess i need to be ultra specific because obviously you’re willing to use any omission of specification to try and weasel your way out of losing the argument.
paladin can hit and use his offensive spells such as repentance, exorcism and hammer of stun you for 6 seconds straight from inside his bubble
how does one heal when they are stunned TWICE or pumped full of damage?
oh and stop acting like you don’t also have “Rebuke” which is your 6 second cd interrupt.
just because you don’t use it (because you’re bad) doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
no counterplay.
nerf bubble.
its gonna be hilarious when phase 4 comes out and the majority of paladin runes are holy runes and all the paladins come and complain that they didn’t also get a bunch of ret runes.
“blizzard dont care about paladin boo hoo”
meanwhile they are the best pvp class in the game right now. a real shame only nublets play the class because their potential is unmatched, especially in AB.
Classic and SOD is 2 different games. Im talking about CLASSIC in this sentence.
I don’t have a problem with the resto shaman, but with the fact that you can use it on all specs.
Play some solo q WSG as paladin or any malee character on alliance side vs full horde premades. And tell me that paladin is SO OP. Now with the damage reduction you won’t die in 5 seconds if there is no BUBBLE, but you have died so far.
No, you’re mixing up all the specs and acting as if shaman is able to run all of their runes and talent trees simultaneously.
you aren’t even trying to be specific, you literally throw out abilities of all playstyles and go “isn’t that OP then???”
dude, you’re a weasel.
Look at the shaman rune distribution and see what they can use at once. The elemental shaman has the damage by default, supplemented with lava burst, it is enough against anyone. Maybe those who try to go to PVP with full dps runes will die, but those who are not stupid and know that sustain is more important in PVP will not.
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You can check everything here.
You’re just not being objective. No paladin can kill atm on a stun, let alone while bubble is on. Repentance breaks on damage, it’s not a stun so at best a 1 min interrupt on cast.
If you find yourself under a stun while at 20%hp and without shield or renov/pom on you then yeah you may die but then you have to ask yourself how did it come to that.
Otherwise if I go to a healer or anyone for that matters and open with a stun, there is little to no chance he’ll drop before the end of it. Even when playing with r7 gears and Chieftain’s Bane.
You’ve obviously been traumatised by ret pals given your attitude but the fact is you blow things out of proportion. So to come back to the original point : There are counterplays to bubble. Trinket stun and heal yourself being the simplest one.
No one plays with rebuke because it is contested by our exorcism rune which is just too necessary in our offensive kit. Whitout it we’re nearly back to vanilla ret : auto-attacks and judgement (we have crusader strike now though).
Anyway I’ve tried to explain to you how it feels to play the class and the counterplays that work against me but given your miserable attitude and bad assumptions I don’t think it’ll do you much good. Maybe some less tilted players on your situation will gain from it. Gl buddy.
so you just want to nerf every good aspect of shaman… which, lets see…
so far you want to GUT (not just nerf, but GUT)
- way of earth (which is already gutted beyond uselessness for anyone but ele, and even ele doesn’t want to use it because using it means no eye of the storm procs)
- lava burst (the ONE other ability elemental got for SOD)
- riptide (the ONE heal shaman has that isn’t a hardcast)
yeah no. we’re not doing that. git gud.
Googled shamanistic rage, learn to read
wait, so you were complaining about an ability which you didn’t even know the effects of?
peak forum brain.
Learn to read again. A guy was pro shaman and claimed shamanistic rage was “almost as good” as shield wall
My god you really have a potato brain
yeah no paladin will run rebuke as it takes away their biggest damage ability, just saying.
no sir. YOU are the one who isn’t being objective.
i just flat out mentioned THREE methods paladin has to shut down any enemy healing from inside his bubble, which is part of the “no counterplay” argument.
tell me again, and make it snappy, i’m not fond of reading your walls of drivel, how to counterplay paladin’s bubble.
the truth is you can’t, because there is no counterplay.
This damage reduction aura is gone tomorrow. We are back to Oh s*it! cast the largest heal to keep something alive!
Riptide will help Elemental Shamans somewhat but if they are getting sit on or kited it makes no difference(it is also fairly expensive mana wise)
People are asking for permanent changes based on a temporary test… how ridiculous is that. Let the test play out and let’s see what the devs gather from it and how things will move forward.
I’m just saying that it’s not OK that you can use the strongest spells of the future resto talents on all specs. It still has one of the biggest bursts in the game and so much sustain that is not even available at retail at the same time. And other classes still playing tbc and wotlk like builds with wheelchair mobility.
ahh so that means rebuke doesn’t exist?
guess what paladin frendo, other classes have to give up damage runes for pvp runes as well, its not an issue isolated to paladin.
you guys literally have tremor totem AURA that cannot be counterplayed in any way other than killing the paladin, its not even attached to a totem - this is beyond brokenly good, and the fact none of you run that rune either is a testament to how terrible the paladin playerbase is.
EDIT: i just realized im replying to a hunter now… but the point still stands.
At that point only one thing to do mate, get good.
citation needed (go find the quote then).
there is not a pro-shaman in here who would be dumb enough to compare shield wall to shamanistic rage, that HAD to have been an anti-shaman.