Your proposal is to force every player to premade, leaving out those who can’t get a full raid premade.
This topic is about splitting or seperating premades and non-premades into different queues and you keep spamming walls of text about how you want to divide battlegrounds into premades earning rewards and non-premades earning nothing. What on earth is wrong with you.
Be right back, I have to go puke because this idea is utterly disgusting.
More nonsense by you, but basically your entire self can be summarized by:
No free epics for you, @Mariejoanna. Go back to refail for that nonsense.
Short answer: yes they should. That would be the fair choice. But premades premade only to roll over non premades for “free” wins / farm and maximising honor/hour.
If you force them to queue into each others they wont be able to dodge (via discord currently) and will just play the new mist effective honor / hour. And my guess is that it wont be premade vs premade.
The solution will be competitive pvp in Classic BC arena anyways. Serious pvpers will be there.
I really, Really hope that we would change the way que works.
If its a raid group joining AB/WSG it should automatically be paired with another raid group.
I have been facing so many 0 - 2000 games this weekend in AB.
Now its gone so bad that the teams I que up with already give up before the games even start. They simply wish to get 1 or 2 kills before they are GY ganked for 8 mins.
This is so stupid and I wish something was done to make it better.
I dont even want to play anymore because 0 bonushonor and 8 mins gankfest is not fun at all. Games are meant to be fun !
Unfair matchmaking just ruins it for me.
Wait a second, I only want honor and I already have full epics. What was your point again and how is this relevant to improving the game quality we get to spent by purchasing game time?
It doesn’t, I answered my question for you because you clearly derived from an illiterate baboon tribe.
Not to be rude, but why is a lvl 110 char trolling classic forums once again?
Hard prem vs prem games? 99% of prems dont play hard games, they bend them cause HPH. Gj on those r14 boys, very impressive
Finally, a human of quality.
Repost, sorry.
I really love watching you work, Beware.
Saves me a job.
Bg’s should prioritize queuing random players before premades. If there is no opposing team queuing in premades then they will wait till they get one, even if it takes days queue time.
Premades are nice and all but should have no place in ruining solo player bg’s.
Except for all the problems that’d bring.
There’s absolutely nothing self-serving or small-minded in that quote, nuh-uh. Totally thinking of the welfare of all.
Classic only has solo players. That’s what it was made for. Right?
Go back to refail, and stay there.
Or accept no rewards for the easy mode. No free epics for you from PvP. Don’t need any LFR-equivalent in Classic.
If the enjoyment of the gameplay was truly all you cared about, then you should have no problems whatsoever with not getting any reputation or honor at all from such a hypothetical “solo queue”. It’d be just like skirmish arenas in the old days.
If you’re saying the rewards are what’s important to you instead of the enjoyment of the gameplay, then that reveals once and for all what you’re really after with the stupid self-serving whining.
Make an argument, don’t cry like a baby who doesn’t like an solution.
BG’s at the moment are suffering from high win rate from organized PvPrs who seem to have significant advantage over thoose who sign in as solo or duo. This has been a problem since adding of BGs, since AV’s had 40 man premades ramming the other side to dust and making the whole game not fun at all. Same Trend contunues with 10 and 15 man Bg’s and premades seem to be only matched aganist random soloqueuers and duo, trio whatever rather than another premade.
Win rate of premades is ridicilously high, dont think anyone can deny that. Then why not for peole who want to playt seoriosly you match em up aganist people who want to take it seopriosly aswell? I dont see the problem. Other than sadistic reason to just steamroll and feeling high and mighty that you just recked another solo queuers experience. Vanilla didnt have this bs, and you know that.
Solo queue separately and premades separately. End of topic
edit. #nochanges we can all agree doesnt even count no more considering how much changes already has occured. If you wanna original experience, feel free to turn your gaze towards thoose wonderful servers that can’t be mentioned in any shape or form. Thoose old dusty museum pieces are all for you to goggle.
*They meet premades from the other faction just as much as the others on the faction they’re playing on.
You’re just self-absorbed and think your situation is the only possible basis for everyone in the entire game. Babies are like that too. The psychological development of a baby’s brain begins by viewing itself as the center of the world, in their mind.
As the brain grows and develops further, the awareness increases too. You seem to be stuck in that pre-developed state though.
… I did. Read the thread. Read the post you quoted in full. Learn to read. Read other threads too, it’s not like this is the first one ever about the same thing.
Nobody is entitled to win. It’s determined by how the BG goes. And the AV premades were mitigated (still not stopped entirely though), because it relies on exploits. inb4 all the nonsensical obfuscations trying to cloud the fact that it is exploiting the matchmaking mechanisms to bypass intended limitations on how many you can queue up with at the same time by options provided by the designers. That’s literally what an exploit is. It’s to use loopholes to bypass the intended design. Logic failures.
There’s no exploit involved when queuing as a premade for 10-man or 15-man in Classic. You just think you deserve free epics like it’s LFR in refail. Go back to refail for that.
You clearly don’t want to admit you only want it to be separated for the rewards, and not for the gameplay.
As already clarified:
The difficulty has always been defining a pre-made, certainly in retail and I would guess classic isn’t really much different.
Joe Blow and three guildies running about and having fun is a pre-made in the same way four R12 players fully armed with LIPs, FAPs and sapper charges are.
If they made a pre-made queue then gone are the days of queuing with guildies or friends for funsies because your ‘pre-made’ will very likely still be facing those who take it super seriously.
Joining bgs while listening to some music and having fun is one of the most important thing to me in WoW, but playing in a premade against pugs or solo queue against premades ruin the fun for me.
There is no fun in stomping random guys in a premade with discord and good gear/setup, and there is no fun being stomped as a pug against premades.
Can’t wait for TBC and arena.
Question is what the arena will look like though. If they’ll just go full refail and copypaste the rating system as it is, or go with the original Elo rating system they had back then. Another question is if they’re gonna enable xrealm grouping or not, for the sake of queuing arenas.
So the question is how lazy they’re gonna be with recreating the burning crusade arena feeling. There was much less ladder inflation back then compared to now, and it was brutal to grind rating close to the top of the ladder, since you won like 1-2, but lost 14+ rating when you lost.
Because the rating was the MMR back then, but in wotlk they separated the MMR from the rating and made them progress differently, and it was also then that they made people start on 0 rating instead of on 1500 like they did in burning crusade.
Burning crusade arenas were truly one of a kind in the history of WoW arenas. It was also in burning crusade that weps required like 1800 or 1850 rating (either or), while the shoulders required 2k rating to be able to buy. Which took longer to reach, since the rating wouldn’t fly up the way the MMR does in refail.
I absolutely think that pre-mades should be separated from normal BGs.
If you’re not in a pre-made group for WSG or AB then forget about it. I’ve been playing BG’s for the first time in a few months and i’d say 80% of the games are pre-mades, and unless it’s a bad pre-made, you’re most likely going to lose.
We all accept losing is something that happens in games, but as a casual, i can’t enjoy battlegrounds at all. They’re not an enjoyable experience, and unless you’re highly ranked you can’t even get in to a pre-made to begin with.
I think this eliminates any form of casual PVP from classic, i can’t just sign up and do a BG for fun. I think it’s a shame we’re almost in P5 and Blizzard still hasn’t done anything about this.
better yet either remove non premading or crossrealm bgs. ideally both though.
apart from making the game more fun for the same reason people enjoy raiding, it would effectively make botting impossible and leeching wouldn’t get you anywhere.
Yes they sould be separate. You can use a buffer of 2-3 to say that anyone who joins in a team of 2-10 can be placed with other teams of + or - 2/3 players.
EG: 10 man premade can face 8, 9 or 10 man teams. 5 man teams can face 3,4,5,6,7 man teams.
It should not be acceptable for casual pvpers to be subjected to stomps every time. It dissuades them from doing pvp at all. So what if the top rankers HPH is messed up? That affects like 0.01% of the population. No game which takes PvP seriously allows one team to set up with the perfect class balance whilst facing a group of disorganised randoms.