You are funny but…still… it’s getting embarrassing at this point.
Rank 14 with premade = Poormans HWL/GM = Equivalent to maybe Rank 11/12 of Soloplayer.
I’m gonna hit R13 in a few weeks with 100% soloplay and I would feel pretty ashamed of myself showing off that gear I got from steamrolling pugs and quick giveups against better premades.
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The irony of this particular toxic individual. It just exists to rudely abuse people on these boards, it has no other purpose in life. These people have contaminated the boards and have contamited the game. Of course lacking cognitive function they have absolutely no concept of communication. It is just rude and toxic to all and sundry as its vast post history reveals and why it has not been dealt with by Blizzard i have no idea.
Most people understand that BGs will not be changed to a fairer system now (that comes in TBC) and are just airing an opinion, as they are entitled to, but it would go a long way to clean up this game and the official boards if toxic indivuals such as this were removed from them permanently.
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Adorable.
Perhaps my purpose in life is to right wrongs and triumph over evil, and that means you?
It seems you don’t have what irony means. Consider the following.
I am in favour of the game remaining as it is, fore I believe that premading isn’t a problem. I believe that communicating with your teammates is the key to victory.
Here you are saying I don’t want to communicate.
That’s actually false. People will still premade in TBC, it just wont be the meta because there wont be a point. The best PVP gear will come from Arena, BGs will just be a bit of side fun.
Saying that people should be banned for voicing an opinion opposed to yours is the very definition of fascism.
Fortunately for us; the opinions of a 2 post nobody means absolutely nothing.
Now if you’d be so kind to as actually talk TO me instead of ABOUT me, that would be appreciated. I have no expectations of you, so it’s not like you can disappoint me.
Look at it, lurking, waiting for a bite to its toxic drivel. The proof is in the pudding. Hundreds and hundreds of rude toxic posts to other contributers.
A troll is a troll is a troll is a troll.
Clean the boards up any watching Mods and rid them of individuals such as this who spew their toxic drivel unchallenged.
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Perhaps then, you might want to stop trolling.
After 12 years on this board, I’ve not faced many bans. If the moderators were to rid the board of “toxic drivel”, you’d be gone.
Grow up. You’re not the first Anti-Miylee poster. You won’t be the last and you’re most certainly not the smartest either.
You’re an idiot with nothing to say and nothing to prove, posting only to provoke other posters. That is the very definition of trolling.
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This is what happens when you seek refuge in an imaginary world online 24/7. Paranoia and a nasty toxic personality fuelled by that paranoia. Everyone else is out to ‘get’ them. Wind other contributers up so that they react emotionally and so these toxic trolls can pat themselves on the back for a job well done.
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This is what happens when you respond to somebody without reading or listening to what they’ve said.
you’ve listened to your own thoughts and not mine, you might as well sit in a corner and talk to yourself.
Learn the meaning of toxic, little troll.
Click on its name and then click on its activity.
It is clearly a toxic troll and has made literally hundreds and hundreds of posts insulting other contributers.
it assumes, after “12 years” getting away with it, that it is somehow more important than everyone else and that gives it carte blanche to type to other contributers how it likes, when it likes, in that peculiar toxic manner.
You carry on, troll.
While you spew that irrational hatred and invent multiple reasons to be angry at anyone who challenges your toxic behaviour.
There is good reason people like me rarely contribute to these forums, they are infested by toxic trolls like you.
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Fun fact, I’ve never insulted anybody that doesn’t deserve it. My response to people has always been because they’re doing something similar to you: that would be “starting conflict”.
The little narrator game is really lame, by the way. It actually makes you look as though you’re high on acid and are having a conversation with yourself.
I’m actually not angry.
If people like me are keeping idiots like you at bay, then I see that as confirmation that I’m doing a good thing.
The shame is the other way around but hey, what makes you feel better.
Wow you’re literally describing the people who go from R10-14 using premades only here, nice 
No doubt but at least it will be on somewhat more equal terms, up to you to decide what set-up you use, what consumes, if you wana use voice etc. (Premade vs premade)
Well this is possible, but I wonder who really learns more about PvP, those who sat in premades facestomping randoms for months at a time, or those who actually fight tooth and nail in a group of randoms scrapping for every win. Hmm…
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Premade vs Pugs is not fun, at least not for the Pug group. However, doing serious pvp in classic is not about skill and challenging gameplay. It’s all about maximum honour per hour. Separating pugs from premades will have a significant impact on pvp and will greatly impact all players, not only premades.
Besides the #nochanges argument, it will be more effective to play solo pvp in terms of hpm than group play, since a premade has more overhead. So there will be fewer groups across the premade pool. This offers more opportunities to fake games and such things, that are already possible and have been a problem in all competitive games. And how would you manage smaller groups of friends trying to queue together? Should they wait until they find 10/15 people? It’s already hard to play with your friends in classic due to queues, raid lockouts, guild drama, organization,…
Without a smart idea, I would argue that separating pugs and premades would be positive for the community.
It’s cute that you can’t read and it’s even cuter that you’ve never actually tried to join a premade. Don’t get me wrong though, I can certainly see why nobody wants you in their group.
You’re on equal grounds now. You just choose to handicap yourself.
The premades. They face each other just as much as they face you.
And if they’re going to go to that much effort for some purples that get outscaled next patch, then they’re going to do well in TBC arena which requires much less effort than 14 hours a day BG grinding.
You can keep using your condescending tone all you like, but the simple fact is that your main argument is that people who don’t like premades are over entitled brats wanting free epics. When in actual fact the only reason honour farming premades exist is to get over entitled high rankers easy rank 14.
Abolutely categorically untrue. Are you actually stupid? Please explain how it is a choice to be matched vs perfect class balanced external comm using premade teams?
Some might, but the vast majority will not and will be the ones whining about TBC arena just you wait and see.
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I shall.
False. That’s your argument about people that enjoy premading.
My argument is that changes are bad and that separate queues is a retail feature and if I wanted to play a game that caters to casuals and crybabies, then I’d play retail.
Premading is an important part of Classic, much more important than casuals and solo players.
See, as I said int he above line: that’s your argument. a false one, too.
Absolutely categorically true, and no; but you seem to be.
Each and every person in Classic has the exact same opportunity. I believe in equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome.
Do you not have that option? Does the game somehow stop you from forming groups with friends and guildies?
No, I didn’t think so. You just dont want to.
Yeah, no. The people whining about TBC will be the same people whining about premades and world buffs, the same people saying “But this isn’t how I remembered it!!!”
You’ll have to forgive me for choosing to put my faith in my own mind and my own experiences, above that of somebody who has been wrong in every single post.
Erm… what? The majority of people who play classic are casuals given that (most) people who played it the first time around have adult responsibilties now and can’t play the game like they used to.
In what way is it important other than a way for players at higher ranks to have an easier time getting their R14? I’m not talking about (and you are not talking about) groups of a few friends who want to pvp and have a good time. I mean the hardcore honour farming premades.
This IS the only reason hardcore premades exist. You’re lying if you tell yourself otherwise.
You’re lying to yourself if you think this is what anyone is referring to when they say premades. As above, everyone is talking about the hardcore premades which are formed on discords.
Are you really quoting Jordan Peterson? God, please just stop.
Once again, you are actually arguing and defending the fact that it’s ok for 10 or 15 people to group up with the perfect class balance and using external voice comms to decimate groups of 10 or 15 random players. If premades want to premade, they should be welcome to do so. However, they should only be matched against other premades. Then randoms get battlegrounds that they have a equal opportunity to win. Premades get battlegrounds where they have an equal opportunity to lose. This is what you believe in right? Equality of opportunity, since you quote it (lol).
But then again, that’s not what you actually want. What you want, as it is plainly obvious to see, is an easy way to get R14 by having an unequal advantage over the majority of the PvP playerbase.
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I’m sorry, is adult responsibility an excuse to not communicate with people and join up as teams?
It may prevent you from reaching rank 14, but it doesn’t prevent you from playing properly. It doesn’t take the MMO out of MMORPG.
People would have an easier time with separate queues. If queues were separate, solo queue would be much easier. Ever played any game with separate queues? Solo is always easier.
You should talk about them, because they’re the people that get screwed with your separate queue.
People hardcore premade and form brackets to reduce the time taken to get R14. Do you want to grind BGs for 6 months? Neither does anybody else.
Just because people reduce the time commitment doesn’t mean they’re taking the “easy” path. They still have to work as part of a team and they still have to play efficiently.
Infact, R14 would be MUCH EASIER with solo queue, because then you rely entirely on yourself and not your team. You join solo and forget your team and objective and you farm honor.
Is that what you want? Battlegrounds where good geared players ignore each other and prey off of the other team’s undergeared players?
No, I’m not. I refer to these people as premades. I look at everything globally instead of just the elite. A group of 3 friends is called a premade. A group of 10 high geared, fully buffed players with bags full of potions is also a premade.
The second team in this scenario wouldn’t be affected by separate queues. The first? They’d be screwed.
An ideology isn’t a quote. Equality of opportunity is the essense of capitalism.
Your ability to read me matches perfectly with your ability to read my posts: non existant.
I don’t premade, and I have no intention of ever attempting to rank up. Look at my posting habbits, they’re always throughout the night: I work evenings: primetime. Think somebody that works during primetime would ever have chance to obtain a high rank?
Actually, I would with separate queues. Yet I’m against them anyway: because I don’t support things that benefit myself if they damage the game as a whole.
Equality of opportunity is what we already have; you’re asking for a handicap.
Yes, they should be seperated.
Or atleast solve it with some sort of balance system that, if you are let’s say 3 friends playing together, the match will attempt to put you into a match where 2, 3 or 4 friends are grouped up aswell.
No.
^ Sums it up perfectly.