Silvermoon brainwashing

No thank you :flushed:

This reminds me of that one episode in Avatar “there is no war in Ba Sin se” lol

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you’re welcome.

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A desperate measure to keep people unified. Lor’themar had already kicked out one bunch of dissidents and couldn’t risk losing more, or it would end up like with Lordaeron. Scarlets, Argents, Hillsbrads and even some that fled to Theramore and Stormwind.

Excluding those who died of course. A total decomposition and collapse of a country. Kael’thas gave his blessing to Lor’themar to keep what’s left of his Kingdom united.

And right as they were finally kicking in rebuilding. Some instigators were spreading words against the established government. Ironicly they stood at the Bazaar having nothing but rubble behind their backs of not yet rebuilt part of Silveroon.

Symbolism in that one was striking. Two Elves speaking out against their leaders having nothing but ruin behind their backs.

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Brainwashing is the lesser evil

1984 called, they want their Minister of Truth back.

Arthas wasn’t an ‘Alliance Prince’ by the time he attacked Quel’Thalas. He’d literally just gotten through with murdering his own Kingdom. That’s like saying Kael’Thas was a ‘Horde Prince’ when he was in a Fel Crack-den, with a big Fel Crystal stuck in his chest.

The Blood Elves joined the Horde because their nearest neighbours were the Forsaken, and they were a powerful ally.

Quoting directly from the Encyclopedia: In general, blood elves have negative impressions about much of the Horde. The blood elves’ animosity toward trolls, for instance, has been well documented since the founding of Quel’Thalas, and that animosity was cemented by the Troll Wars. Nor do the blood elves have a fondness for orcs, who wrought widespread destruction and burned the borderlands of Quel’Thalas during the Second War. The elves have no particular quarrel with the tauren, but tend to think of them as bestial brutes.

Yet the blood elves remaining on Azeroth are developing a relationship with the Forsaken due to Queen Sylvanas Windrunner, who was ranger-general of Silvermoon until Arthas converted her into undeath against her will. The queen claims that she still considers herself one of the foremost protectors of Quel’Thalas. She has repeatedly offered assistance in the form of supplies and troops.

Thus far, the blood elves seem to fear a trick, or perhaps they are simply having difficulty overcoming their dislike for the rest of the Horde. Whatever the case, blood elves have declined most of Sylvanas’ offers, particularly those that would involve stationing Forsaken soldiers in blood elf lands. Yet the beleaguered elves are well aware that they are massively outnumbered by the Scourge, and no one else seems willing to fight for what remains of Quel’Thalas.

Certainly the Alliance has shown no interest in helping the Azerothian blood elves either reach Outland or drive the Scourge out of Quel’Thalas. Already suspicious of the few scattered high elves who still exist, the Alliance considers the blood elves even less trustworthy. Night elves are particularly hostile toward blood elves: to night elves, the sin’dorei stink of desperation and arcane magic.

Given the blood elves’ precarious position on Azeroth, it seems increasingly likely that they will form an alliance of convenience with the Horde.

So, yeah. The Alliance didn’t offer any help, but it must be noted that at the time of BC, the Alliance really didn’t have any central leadership that would have been inclined to make the offer.

Varian was still AWOL, and Onyxia basically had Stormwind in her grasp, so they were out. The Gnomes were entirely concerned with their OWN city needing to be recaptured, and the Dwarves’s attention was entirely torn between that and their own political issues. The Night Elves are not fond of Highborne, so that was that. In fact, the Night Elves were outright ******** about the whole thing.

It’s unfortunate. Had Varian been around at the time, things might have gone very differently.

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That is amongst many other offence why Rommath must be lured out of those wall and killed or taken care of but those 3 traitrors deserves the most infamous and painfull death possible hopefully our beak be well wet and they die falling to defend silver moon full of bloody tears and regrets ala swtor jedi tempe massacre !!! :grin:

Its a question about timing. Teldrassil corruption have happened during Classic. But quests in Silwermoon are BC. Does this timeline is just a game mechanic or not?

Also, Blood Elves had dropped to Night Elves lands together with Draenei. Those Blood Elves were taking orders from the main ruler of the Blood Elves (at those times Blood Elves of the Silwermoon were still loyal to their prince!), and they were hostile to the Alliance, while Draenei became part of the Alliance.
Again, question in time line. If that have happened before quests in Silvermoon, than its pretty logical that Alliance have send spies instead of helping hands.

Not the Horde, only Sylvanas. And just to use them as arrows against the Lich King:


OFFTOP all of this reminds me this:

Wasn’t Kael’thas at that time doing his own things in Outlands? Sure, he approved Rommath and co. doing whatever they chose to do for the benefit of blood elves, but did not order them what exactly to do.

I did those quests recently, the conflict with Sunhawks started before draenei sent the player character to contact with night elves.

It is indeed
:+1:


gl hf

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To be fair this situation is 7 expansions old, I would think Silvermoon is well and truely settled into the Horde by now.

As to whether or not these actions are “correct”… grey area.

On the one hand overwriting the free will of your people is clearly wrong, evil I’d go so far as to say.
On the other Silvermoon is in the process of recovering from the Scourge invasion. It’s people are “withering” from being cut of from the sunwell, they are cut off from their old allies (and due to Garathos those bonds are now well and truely strained) and there are still a lot of undead shambling around hungry for brains.
Civil unrest on top of all of this would be a disaster.

So again… grey area.

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To be fair it’s true. Quel’thalas by now has been in the Horde for longer period of time than with the Alliance. And the gap is widening each new year.

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World of Warcraft story is less then 30 years old.

Hope they add classic+ so they will add this backstabbing race of Blood/high Elves to the Alliance where they belong.

cough humans cough
Though their “dissidents” just went rogue without joining the Horde.

Just to add to OP’s original question, the Blood Elf providing free ‘re-education’ services is a priest (Priest Kath’mar). Who immediately gets to work once summoned by 3 unnamed Silvermoon magisters.

A former Blizzard lead writer has stated previously that the priesthood are separate. So what ever organisation in conjunction with the magisters is responsible for policing and pacifying civil unrest has yet to be named or represented in game. You can think of the whole scenario that plays out as the actions of a secret police like organisation.

Just to add how obscure the current blood elf priesthood are, I still can’t name one notable (current) Blood Elf priest figure considering the priest unit in WC3 is a Blood/High Elf. This is without digging back to WC3 events when Lady Liadrin was still a priestess and her mentor Vandellor was still alive up until the Scourge invasion of the Isle of Quel’Danas.

If I had to hazard a guess my money would be on the Reliquary or some denomination of the Church of the Holy light after their split from the Alliance, assisting in maintaining a measure of law and order amongst the populace at the behest of the magisters who act as civil administrators for the Kingdom.
You can even resort to rumours of a reformed Convocation of Silvermoon being ultimately behind the implementation of the practice itself? To keep Blood Elves during the BC era united by quashing utterings of dissent’ before it can take root and cause a bigger problem with deeper divisions in their society. Achieving this goal by preventing debate on certain decisions made for the ‘greater good’ by the leadership at the time.

Also, people are right in saying they allied with the Horde (at least initially) out of a sense of pragmatism and for survival. Where on the other hand there was a great feeling of disillusionment towards the Alliance at the time due to a number of reason already listed by others in this thread above.

The High Elves as a nation have always touted a policy of isolationism throughout their history since being exiled from Kalimdor by Malfurion when you review their lore.
This in a way falls in line with their belief of not wanting to draw too much attention to themselves from outside in order to avoid another demonic incursion and possibly another Sundering. As well as any other existential cosmological threat that could be lurking out there in the Great Dark Beyond.
They’ve only really offered assistance to others when it suited them and was in their own interest to do so, and even then usually only once it had become a necessity to do so. Typically this would be once an external threat is quite literally knocking at their door or when they recognised that the consequences of them breaking their word would be worse for them from a diplomatic standpoint along with any of subsequent consequences from withholding support. Considerations like trade and security for your border territories.
Yes it’s true there are exceptions where decisions are made from a more altruistic point of view but, culturally as a whole they don’t really go out of their way to help others unless it helps them in the process in some manner.
This is why you see them flip flopping between factions and toying with the idea or re-joining the Alliance at certain points.
Although they can come across as acting capriciously at times, their loyalty is to their own first and foremost, even if this leads them to spurning others and getting burned in the process at times.

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I mean in the same nation. The only dissidents Stormwind (playable vanilla humans) had are the Defias, who have been gone for years.

Conrad Kurzen in Stranglethorn, 2 Defias Revolts, Tons of Bandits in the Elwynn Forest. All of them didn’t like the role of loyal subjects of Stormwind…

And the High-Elves are rooted in the Elves of Dalaran and other expatriated Highelves. The only real “rebels” are the new Blueberry-Elves, Highelves just didn’t rejoin after Arthas destroyed their Homeland and the fix for their craving.

Ï guess Sunhawks, Sunfury and Felblood elves just stopped existing or something. Ah well, they were only like half the killable mobs in TBC.

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They were part of Kael’s expedition to Northrend as far as i remember, if you want to call someone “dissident” then the playable Bloodelves are, and the Sunhawks etc. were the loyalists.

Kurzen was driven mad, he didn’t rebel because he disagreed with the Stormwind government, and anyway he was defeated. The bandits in Elwynn are part of the Defias, and have been wiped out, as I already said. Also note that Vanessa VanCleef appears to have redeemed herself and no longer hates Stormwind.

Both the Quel’dorei and Ren’dorei abandoned Quel’Thalas because they disagreed with the government, and were exiled as a result.

The Void Elves were exiled and joined the Alliance because they were not wanted by the Blood Elves anymore.
It wasn’t disagree > exile it was exile > disagree.

As for the Highelves it’s true, they disagreed with the use of demon-magic. But it was easy for them, having many magicall artifacts in dalaran.
They took the moral highground when it was easy, but are fine with void-suckers, because they’re useful.

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Well then I guess