Aha, same will happen with LFD. You queue x minuted for random dungeon and get Oculus.
Some people leave instant. Tank or heal leavs after first boss because they dont need anything else from the other bosses. Back in queue again.
Wotlk will have so much deathknights and retri paladins. You will be in plate armor only groups.
Guess what happens, when you want to play dungeons in tbc. Dk tank, 3 dk dps and a healer. The dk tank does not know the class. He can not tank. He queued as a tank for instant invite
The difference being in this situation that being in the dungeon with a group will prioritize you in group finder which makes finding a tank or healer that much easier.
The same thing happened in original Wrath and 9 out of 10 times there were no wipes because DKs are overpowered. You’re comparing apples to oranges.
The only argument in favor of removing LFD that I hear is “I don’t want other people to play the game how they want. They should all play how I want them to!”
It’s ridiculous. If I want to spam dungeons, just let me. Putting barriers in the game that prevent you from playing the actual game, and instead turn it into a chore simulator, is one of the massive issues of retail. Flying to a dungeon isn’t content. Spamming LFG channel isn’t content. Giving up because you can’t find a tank isn’t content. The dungeon itself is the content. Let me play the actual content.
Oh no, you have to engage in the social aspect of the game and you have to interact with other people to form a group and not just press a button and wait. Oh, the horror.
If you want to play queue simulator just go back to retail and spam HC dungeons and LFR there.
Couldn’t you say that about anything? I could be a display the same persecution complex by saying Oh you just want me to sit on my butt and get the game to fetch my group members and ferry to dungeon without any effort. You want me to play the same way you do!
And then comes the argument that you don’t have to use it.
Guess what, if it’s there and most people are using it, then you’ll have to use it too. Making a group without it will be even harder, especially with tanks and healers getting a invited almost instantly. Why should they bother making a normal group?
Getting teleported to the dungeon is also quite stupid. It turns the game into a lobby basically where you just queue for an instance and just wait. It’s almost the same as if you’d be playing OW or any other game with matchmaking and lobbies. Just get your number, wait in line, get teleported to the “content”, do it then rinse and repeat.
I can really see the social aspect and the MMORPG part of the game in this.
I for one welcome this change and hope Blizzard won’t cave to these retailbabies.
If you think that whispering your spec and accepting an invite is legitimate social interaction, then someone needs to sit you down and talk to you about where your life went wrong.
If you want to spam LFG channel, go play tbc classic. Leave that stuff out of wotlk.
No, because most things actually have legitimate counterpoints. It’s not a persecution complex, it’s that people literally make things up out of thin air to justify their bad take. See the point above in my post. I can tell that quite a few people here have literally never used the LFD tool, or only have very distant memories of it.
Instead of implying there is a counterpoint to my example, why not just make that counterpoint? Kinda makes it seem like you don’t have a counterpoint, you know.
You do know that stuff was part of wrath for the longest time?
Ok, so your argument was that I want to force you to sit on your butt and have autoinvite groups and dungeon teleport. I do have counterpoints to that. Nobody forces you. You can build up an entire community of people who spam LFG channels ALL DAY to form groups. Having the LFD tool doesn’t take that away from you, it just shows you how inferior it is by allowing other people to skip the silly chores. The LFD tool has virtually no drawbacks anymore, because the usual talking points apply to tbc. No social interaction in dungeons, dungeons are easy, anonymity on your server… All there in tbc. LFD tool can’t ruin what doesn’t exist anymore.
Yes, but do you know that I was replying to someone who used the “go play retail” meme? Because that is what I did. The thing that a minority of people ask for is literally part of tbc (and part of why 5 man content in tbc sucks), so I turn the meme around.
why on earth it should not be serverbound? does not makes sense to split the community even more. on the other hand people dont care when they scam you while leveling or when they are on their alts.
dungeonbrowser will be a pain. it sounds good and i actually like the idea of queueing and knowing i can do my dungeon in xy minutes and can browse on the web til the queue pops.
i think LFD tool could be good when it is released only for low level dungeons or they release the LFD for heroics later. but LFD on release for every type auf dungeon is not good for the game in my opinion.
when LFD comes out there should be atleast a protection for boosted characters like 2-5 levels before they can queue up.
Are you really suggesting it will be possible for me to form a single 5 man group in the classic way if LFD existed? I don’t think it would and i don’t think you think it would. But let’s grant that i can. How much more time do you think it will take? It would take a lot longer and we both know that.
So in essence, you are putting up a barrier to play how i want to play.
But of course why would you be thinking about that? You think about barriers in front of yourself. Not about barriers in front of others.
Wrong! A feature/aspect/piece of content in the game is not good based solely based on how many players and how frequently they engage with it.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Maw of Souls has been cleared more times than all the other legion dungeons combined. Was this because Maw of Souls was just head and shoulders more fun than all the other dungeons? No! It’s because it gave the most AP per minute. Short dungeon and the easiest of them all. Every single person(even the ones who dislike it) will use LFD because it would be detrimental to their goals if they didn’t.
People say ‘‘the classic community’’ or ‘‘the wow community’’. There is no such thing. People have butchered this word to mean something like ‘‘a group of people that have a thing in common’’. That’s not what community used to mean. A ‘‘community’’ is a group of people where just about every single person in the group knows of everyone else in the group. You can get that feeling on servers with about 3k 50/50 H&A pop server.
This kind of community can feel if it get’s split. The ‘‘wow community’’ can split up and nobody feels it because it’s not actually a community.
this is why I’m against dungeon finder. it encourages bad behavior, trolling, leaving after his items didn’t drop from the first boss, full of ppl who want to get boosted, so you are 4 mening it or even 3, etc. and all of this because there is no punishment because I can just press a button and port to a new dungeon to troll next group. ofc not all ppl like that, but many are.
Nothing is stopping a group of 4 premades to kick someone from the group, they get teleported out of the instance either way. This even happens in TBCC sometimes, why people think this is a issue that only happened when LFD was implemented boggles my mind.