Isn’t the point that everyone is presented with the same game and have the same opportunities to get the same gear?
Some players are willing and able to put in the time, effort, and skill needed to get everything they want, anywhere it comes from.
And some players are not.
The PvP community opinion seems to be:
“We don’t want to play 90% of what the game entails, but we still want to have the best gear for the 10% of the game that we do want to play – regardless of how accomplished we may be at that part of the game – and the people who play 100% of what the game entails, they shouldn’t have an advantage over us.”
I do, but again, that was my point. The content is not comparable, and we shouldn’t be focusing on comparing it or saying which is easier or harder or trying to lord it over those who prefer the other. We should be accepting that it is different, and needs to be treated differently.
Time and gold is resouces so next time you say wiping have no consequences think twice. And not even commenting on all the logistical stuff like running guild it takes lot of effort but i guess you never engage in this type of game so you actualy have no idea how much effort it actualy takes to run it.
Let us turn the tables and now to have orange parses you need items locked behind 2200 rating in 3s.
Also don’t act as holier than thou, because if you read someone’s comment above you’d see that people were losing their minds in MoP when the requirement to get the legendary cloak complete took 2 battleground wins.
Pure PvE players have the same resentment for pure PvP players and that’s totally fine. I’m just unsupportive of the fact that when Blizzard finds out fishing is the biggest time sink of them all we will be gearing through fishing junk boxes just so we could have more time /played.
Part of the problem is also that so much of the borrowed power blizzard added in BFA was significantly quicker to obtain / had way more variety from PvE content.
Even if these vendors don’t hit the mark, I’d really, really truly hope bliz have learned from that mistake.
Also I know it’s small but my BiS chest was from PvP for the last two tiers.
I actually completely skipped the pvp achis this expansion because of how much I was dissatisfied with the pvp state.
I cant wait to get beta so I can test to know if I should skip another expansion aswell.
In Legion the difference was literally like 3-5 % output since you got like 1% dmg/healing for every 10 ilvl you have over someone, templates were literally the most boring system ever created in WoW.
WoD was really nice in terms of gearing progression and I really liked ashran a lot, except I never got the BIS trinket from the boss chest.
I haven’t felt that since WoD either since they removed so much complexity from class mechanics but that mainly has to do with pruning/removing depth from classes, not so much with the gearing progression, I even remember beating geared people on freshly dinged characters in MoP just because someones skill alone could make so much difference in player power, that’s nearly impossible now.
But those two groups have no issues with each other.
The pure PvEer is by definition never ever going to appear in an Arena or Battleground.
Because he doesn’t do PvP!
The guy you have an issue with is the all-around accomplished player who does both PvE and PvP.
That player is as accomplished as you in PvP (that’s why you queue against him and he beats you and you complain about him).
And he’s more accomplished than you in PvE (that’s why he has all that fancy PvE gear you don’t have).
He’s just better at the game than you.
And you’re arguing that in PvP you should have an advantage, because you have committed to that part of the game.
That doesn’t really add up. And design-wise it’s definitely a difficult complaint for Blizzard to tackle. At the end of the day, the pure PvPer just isn’t half as committed to the game as the PvEer that beats them at their own game.
The thing is, I’d consider the three tier pvp system of Crafted, Honour, Conquest, to be a prototype template system. Everyone had a benchmark, as soon as they hit max level, that they could just buy from the AH or make with basic crafting mats, that made sure people weren’t just paperweights.
That’s a disingenuous take. There are a lot of people who would have only really done pve, but because of their new found advantage have moved into pvp purely because they hold an inherent advantage.
I don’t want the inherent advantage that I have as a CE raider in none rated pvp. I want the PvP games I play to be FUN. It’s fun when it’s competitive, it’s fun when it’s interesting. It’s not fun when people on mine and the opposing team are so lacking in player power that they may as well not exist.
You misinterpreted. I wasn’t complaining about higher geared players beating me in PvP or whatever, I am complaining that, for my own sanity’s sake, Blizzard should not force me to grind mythic plus and raids to be able to gear up for PvP. It is really sadistic putting things like Gettiku or something similar behind a dungeon almost no one likes and that sword is beyond broken in PvP.
I am complaining about not wanting to grind PvE for PvP gear.
But the more you aim to min/max, the more “forced” will you always feel.
That’s inevitable.
When you hit max level in Shadowlands and you’re standing there in your questing greens, what’s going to be the best way to gear up for the first Season of PvP?
The answer is to do everything in the game as much as possible to get every bit of gear that you can from anywhere it’s avaliable.
It wouldn’t matter if PvP gear had resilience or PvP power, you would still want to run dungeons and raids to get a bunch of gear.
Because you’re not going to get BiS PvP gear on the first day.
So the guy who’s committed to just playing the game like crazy and raid and craft and do dungeons and arenas and battlegrounds, he’s always going to gear up faster than the guy who only wants to queue for arenas.
On the first day of PvP in MoP, what did all the PvPers do?
They raided!
They weren’t going to have enough Conquest points to get their fancy 2-handed weapon on day 1, so they went and killed Elegon hoping that the stupid dragon would drop its 2-handed weapon.
What did the PvEers do on the first day of raiding in MoP?
They queued for Arenas and capped their Conquest points so they could get an epic item to replace one of their dungeon blues.
Never in the history of WoW has anyone been able to min/max to perfection by just doing one aspect of the game and nothing else.
They also need to be useful to the average PvP player. If they only offer trash tier gear or 2200 rating+ gear then they are quite useless and offer no solution to the problems with PvP gearing that exist today.
On day one, when options were limited, no. But a few weeks in when people had had the chance to start walking down their respective progression paths, PvPers were in PvP gear, and PvErs were in PvE gear. There might have been some weird exceptions (Overtuned ToT rep trinkets) but for the most part.
Not all. Some waited a week or two, effevtively bypassing the need to do PvE and grinding honor while also having fun in the game they are paying for. I’m not talking about being in BiS gear from day 1. I’m talking about not being forced to repeatedly do content you are not comfortable with/you find tedious.
Honestly, Jito, at this point im thinking you’re just Ion on an alt EU account defending his degenerate gearing system he is showing down everyone’s throat.