So many paladins rerrol i curious why ? is it because of pvp superiority?

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Paladins should definitely be nerfed.

This said, I wonder how many shamans and priests actually know they can spam dispel paladins. It actually does wonder on them.

Just dispel all their buff (or ask shams/priests around to do so), make them use their bubble ASAP, hold on a bit (use a swiftness potion to create distance ?) and then destroy them once they are naked.

Otherwise it’s ALWAYS the same story: a confident Pally in frontline doing whatever he wants because everyone freaks out and has no idea what to do.

Not saying classes are actually balanced, not saying Pally aren’t hitting hard, but as a shadow priest that does a LOT of pvp, I know there is always a trick for every situation.

Know your class, know how to play with others, also know how to read a fight and bring some consums.

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Man… MC was created in a week just before the release.
It’s not the PvP aspect of the game that was supposed to be the mini-game, it’s the PvE aspect. It was created with the aim of only getting dungeons and the main aspect of the game was to played outside, mainly leveling.

I’m sorry but you are wrong on about everything you say. Wrong on your PvP view - understandable because you don’t PvP and can only be frustrated at being owned. And wrong on your understanding of the game itself.

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Yet interestingly enough, there wasn’t an honor system at all on release. Which is why PVP on Classic and anniversary is usually associated with Phase 2. And even then, battlegrounds came early in Classic because of the ganking.

I’ve yet to say anything incorrect, PVP is a minigame; always has been.

I could just reroll Paladin and faceroll my way to victory. Levelling is pretty quick these days.

Next joke.

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The fact that MC got made in a week has nothing to do with either PvP or PvE game modes being a priority, you have to consider how enormous the game was on release.

How many dungeons(PvE) did the game have on release compared to BG’s? Or are we going to claim dungeons don’t count?

Especially considering dungeons back in 2004 were the end game content for so many people that could not raid at all for one reason or another.

That is a very, very bold statement(bordering on wishopium) on your part and wrong in reality. PvE has been the overwhelming driving force for WoW.

Ask yourself this:
How many guilds existed for the purpose of clearing PvE content compared to guilds dedicated to PvP, ranking, ganking in the open world and setting up events for premades?

How many expansions got made with a big bad boss on the cover of the box and an implied raid to come with it, compared to battlegrounds/arenas?

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Check this box art for TBC, arenas - the PvP content that objectively made WoW PvP an endgame activity to rival the PvE raid progression and launched the e-sport scene, arenas aren’t even mentioned on the cover… Does this still look to you like PvE was supposed to play second fiddle to PvP?

I don’t mean to insult you but to claim PvE is the mini-game to PvP in WoW is kinda flat-earth equivalent level conspiracy. I don’t know when, where did this idea catch roots since I see so many people parroting it on these forums.

I was a big PvP enthusiast too, at some point it was my end-game activity in WoW. I’d like for PvP to be good and fun as well. But I can accept the fact that most of the fighting in the World of Warcraft has been against murlocs, dragons and everything inbetween instead of other players.

You can find threads still up on the internet where PvP-mains were complaining PvP wasn’t getting enough attention(balancing, new content…) going back all the way into the 2008’s. Guess what… we’re exactly in the same place today. Did the devs betray recently the PvP scene, favoring PvE, or this has always been the case?

MMO’s where PvP has been the endgame activity look almost nothing alike in their progression structure to what we had/have in WoW.

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It’s just as wrong as anyone else saying PvP is a mini-game.
The game is about what you do in it. Some people mainly PvP in this game. They will have 2 night/week of raiding and will spend the rest of their time in BG. It was even more the case during classing where ranking up was really time consuming.

I wanted to trigger the dude I was responding to cause I’m tired of people like them thinking PvP shouldn’t exist simply because they are not good at it.
We have PvP and PvE servers. Simply by choosing the nature of your server PvP will have a greater or lesser impact on your experience.

PvP is the activity that keeps people from raid logging. It doesn’t need constant new content like PvE does as long as it is somewhat balanced.
I don’t know for others but for me and my friends, when we discovered WoW classic in 2005 it was the open world pvp that got us excited, fighting murlocks was never a hype.

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I wouldent bother talking pvp with pve andies…

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It really isn’t. Look at the effort the devs are putting into PvE compared to PvP and you’ll quickly have the answer.
There were times in WoW when PvP was taken care of and considered much more by the devs - SoD is clearly not it though.

That’s fair enough but don’t confuse your interest in the PvP aspect with the devs showing the same amount of interest to this area of the game.

Yes an archaic, unfortunate, feature-relic that does more harm than good to this game right now.
I still remember playing alliance during 2019 classic and having scores of people outright quit in my guild because they couldn’t deal with the absurd camping they had to put up with on the way to a BRD run(battlegrounds weren’t out yet).

And I can tell you I’ve seen much more SoD “rank 14s” go hibernate mode the moment they get their gear/rank, not many will admit that a lot of people that engage with PvP are doing so for rewards and not just the PvP experience itself…

That’s fair enough and true but as an active PvP’er haven’t you noticed lately how you run into the same names over and over(battlegrounds especially)?

Why do you think that is so? PvP has always been a niche activity that does require a much deeper understanding of the game/class knowledge. PvPers will likely always be in minority as long as WoW keeps running the current formulae.

I would actually like to see it happen where a major patch/phase releases once with absolutely 0 PvE content and fully focused on PvP.

I have a sneaking suspicion that while it would make PvP enthusiasts happy(for a moment), the casual mom-and-pop would quit the game in droves… And how then will all the PvP clip artists get their 6 kill streaks without the clicker, keyboard-turning, back-paddling fodder “players”?

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That’s like saying stay in the bubble, keep inhaling the copium. How can you tell who is and who isn’t a PvE andy? Does one just need to disagree with you to earn that title maybe?

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Everyone is rerolling Paladin because their Tier Set Bonus for next phase is insanely powerful when most other Melee DPS set gear like Warriors and Ferals is complete trash.

Paladins have been top of PvP since the start of SoD, the large number of reroll happening right now is because of the set bonuses form the PTR.

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PvP will also be an absolute mess in phase 8. Too many gimmicky items, hunters hitting on the move and getting a disengage via engineering. Not to mention paladins getting obscene damage set bonuses. Rogues also get a 50% dmg boost to ambush and evis…lol. There is absolutely not a chance they can balance this as they are just compounding the problems. Apparently a new bg great but all that will equate to is getting 1 shot in new surroundings.

I’m afraid to say that this last patch will be the final nail in the copium coffin for SOD.

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Also…

They haven’t even updated the ‘purified’ version yet. The damage that Skilladins are going to deal is going to be stupid.

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That’s warrior prio right?

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Yes.

A paladin already had it, died and lost it to the scourge. They can’t be trusted, warrior prio.

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Can you please stop lying?
Paladins were bad in PvP during P1 - P2 - P3.
They became ok during P4 and P5 and now the class outperforms many others (thanks to T1 6p + T2 2p and shoulders enchant) but please stop just spewing lies because you’re frustrated.

/facepalm

First Warrior and Hunter can have it too.
Secondly if the only thing you can do is insulting other players, then don’t answer…

There are as much bad warriors or hunters as paladins.
The class does not have a monopoly on this.

No priority.

And the blade was picked by a light bearer who became a DK and the blade was given to another Paladin to purified it and the blade was once again picked by another Paladin.

No warrior wore the blade… So…

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Of course, paladins can’t understand jokes.

There is a slight difference between warriors, hunters and paladins though; Paladins are the only ones that instagib people. (Not including ranged hunters that wont be using Ashbringer regardless)

Difference is that a bad paladin (in sod, at least) is more effective than a bad hunter or warrior.

Yeah, 2 of those paladins gave it back to the scourge and one lost it to a random raid boss and nearly gave it to the Legion.

Paladins can’t be trusted, warrior prio.

Paladins weren’t ‘bad’ in p2 or p3; if one reached you you still died. They just couldn’t reach people because Boomies, Ele shamans and Shadow Priests were way too powerful.

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Er no they weren’t? They have consistently been op since the start. Just browse these forums from over a year ago and you’ll see the same problems with paladins then as we do now. Stop the bull crap.

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If people actually bothered reading the entire thread here that one consistent is always true, the overexaggeration on how “strong” or “OP” paladins are every phase since level 25.
Level 25 was plagued by moonbois and hunter pets.
Level 40 was plagued by moonbois, enhance shamans, ranged hunters, SPs and mutilate rogues.
Level 50 was plagued by moonbois, shamans, SPs and mutilate rogues.
As if people never played anything prior to MC, pathetic, paladins weren’t nerfed except Guarded by the Light getting turned into one of the :poop:est runes out there + infusion/mental dex getting a nerf to nolonger giving healing power.
P4 was the beginning of paladins getting competitive but still having a bigger drawback than most other PvP meta classes, whereas a majority of meta classes could actually be beefy and dam without overreliance on tier, paladins had to be glasscannons, this is still the truth in P7. But let’s ignore the meta classes and nerf paladin again because horde can’t PvP even when one of their racials can resist on a 25% chance + works against 7/8 classes.
If you can outrange a paladin + outlast their CDs, you literally win for free. Also there are better 1v1 classes than paladin, provided you don’t play SP/warrior/feral druid and faceplant.

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Ah yes… I forgot that some warrior’s IQ is limited…
I could give credit to your lie if you didn’t use the same “joke” in another thread but…

All i see is your previous answer reeks pure jealousy and nothing else.

Ret can kill someone quickly but he can die easily too because of its low hp pool.
So in plain English it is kill or be killed.

The first one was betrayed.
The second one freed the first by sacrificing himself and gave it later to the third one to purify it.
The third one purify the blade just by wielding it and gave his life to protect the others.
The last one increased the power of the blade and avenge the third.

Time to study a bit more.

I’m always impressed by this selective memory that people have as long as they are not directly impacted.

In PvP during P2 paladin was a joke.
The enhance Sham was king in the second half of P2 in pvp.
Paladin was completely outshined by SP/Hunt/Boomkin/Metalock.
Even rogue or mage could easily outplay a paladin.

In P3 Paladin was nerfed along with Enhance.
It started to change for Paladin during P4 and ret became ok (and I say ok not op).
And it outperforms now, in phase7, because of T1 6p bonus + T2 2p bonus + Templar shoulder enchant.

Damn they had to wait 7 phases to be strong…
I don’t care what you’ll say about warrior because the class was op during vanilla and each classic version of the game except SoD (oh no only 1 season where warrior can’t be the pampered child… boohoo…).

Er revise your story a little then?

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I think there is alot of people who wajnt to playe paladins but in vanilla classic it’s a bad class and only works as healer. As soon as paladins was working more folks played it.