Of seeing the worst dps in vanilla be the “hero class”, maybe?
So where’s the problem then?
Who was corrupted by demon’s blood.
Remind me what the orcs did under the influence of Mannoroth’s blood?
Darion didn’t give the sword to the scourge.
He sacrificed himself to free his father and then he was caught by Kel’thuzzad who changed him to be a deathknight.
Later he gave the Ashbringer to someone worthy to wield it… A Paladin who purified it.
Yeah because you know restoring the lands is not a common task and it takes some time to do so…
Warrior weak in pvp?
Maybe you should take a cue from Kefta or NuffyDeus.
Warrior is not weak it’s just some classes closed the gap in terms of damages and others have exceeded this limit.
But warrior is not weak, it’s just not as strong as it was during vanilla/classic.
Everyone was stronger than warrior in P2.
But ret stronger than melee hunter? Stop dreaming.
It was a tough time for feral yeah.
Rogues weaker than ret? Again stop dreaming.
Can you just stop lying?
Warrior dog-tier during TBC? Ok you’re definitely living in a dream.
Arms Warrior was one of the most represented and strongest spec in arena during TBC.
About WotLK Warrior was weak during S5 only and warrior’s community cried like noone did before. Blizzard put some minor changes in patch 3.1 and bam the class was strong again until the end of the expansion.
It’s funny that you can’t accept that Paladin also has the right to be a strong class in PvP by being something other than a healbot or Dispelbot.
Love how the paladin above you in that thread said Rets dont have the same tools as warriors or rogues xD While I heavily dislike Orc FOTMs and abusers I do agree with the orc, ya’ll paladins are ignorant as hell.
Hey, I’m not the one accusing anyone of jealousy. I even said during the Shampocalypse of P2 ‘This class has been dog tier their entire existence, stop whining and let them be strong for once’. I hold the same sentiment towards skilladins (except, Ret was strong in TBC and prot+holy were god tier in WoTLK).
Aside from Greenjesus, when was the last time an Orc was a significant character?
Thereby giving it, and himself, to the scourge.
SoDis going down a different route, following what I believe was the original plan for the Ashbringer; reforging it. At least, that’s what all ingame references in Vanilla made towards the Ashbringer; including the talk with Fairbanks.
Warriors are weak in PVP.
???
Warrior tanks are pretty strong, slightly behind shamans. Warrior DPS? Bottom tier. Don’t getme wrong, I’m performing fine, as are the people playing other ‘weaker’ classes. But warriors aren’t strong in SoD (minus bug abusing in P1).
Ret was stronger than melee hunter, ret is still stronger than melee hunter.
Rogues are weaker than rets.
Warriors were dog tier in TBC, this is a fact. They were brought along for battle shout and for the 4% physical damage buff; something rogues didn’t get until wrath.
Warriors were garbage all the way through wrath right up until we got shadowmourne. Then they instantly became the strongest class.
Warrior wasn’t the weakest through wrath though; having seen my ret friend getting pulled along in a wheelchair I simply can’t deny that Ret paladins had a harder time in WoTLK (Well, classic, at least)
Normally there’s some kind of draw back. Vanilla for example; warriors were the king of DPS and basically crippled in PVP. In SoD, shamans are great tanks, great for PVP and garbage DPS.
Paladins are the 2nd best tank, the absolute best DPS, great healers and god mode in PVP.
I really don’t care if Paladins are strong, PVP is a mini game and the people taking it to seriously are silly. The problem is people like Wave refusing to accept that Paladins > Shamans by a long shot.
Great so the guy complained about a stun as a rogue.
Do I need to remind you that rogue has every necessary tools to kill a Paladin?
Oh and he complained about… Bubble… How creative…
What? Ret strong in TBC?
What TBC are you talking about? TBC OG or classic?
TBC OG, ret was nerfed just before release (blizzard increased crusader strike cd from 6 seconds to 10) plus there was no resilience on ret pvp gear until S3 (and Blizzard reverted cs nerf).
How about him? Does warrior still look weak to you?
Something I’d like to remind you of and that many players tend to forget. The warrior’s strength in pvp is not the burst, it’s the constant pressure.
And that’s exactly what those two warriors do.
Maybe you should reconsider it.
No you’re wrong.
In p2 melee hunter was certainly not weaker than ret.
In p2? Once again you’re wrong.
Even now a good rogue can kill a good ret.
Warrior was one of the most represented class in arena during TBC OG.
Please stop.
During WotLK OG warrior was bad only in S5.
There are drawbacks.
First its limited mana pool (2K mana).
Mana cost on abilities are expensive (exorcism, hammer of wrath, etc…).
The seals are still dispellable.
Seal and Judgement of Martyrdom hurt the paladin.
If you silence the paladin the only ability he would be able to use is divine storm.
If you disarm the paladin crusader strike and divine storm can’t be used and seal + judgement damages are greatly reduced.
How many classes in the game are affected by disarm and silence?
Yeah, look what they did to those characters stories. Varok was used to make Sylvanas look stronger and Garrosh was basically thrown away. He was the only good part of shadowlands and was used for 5 seconds.
Nothing really, nothing from SoD is going to change the canon story. By the looks of it, Blizzard are just adding the original plan for the Ashbringer. Which was give it to players, give them a way to purify it, then throw it away when a weapon with better stats comes out.
Kind of like other legendary lore weapons such as Atiesh.
Amazing what you can do with support against randoms, isn’t it?
Which works when you have support and aren’t instantly killed by a seal stacking paladin.
It really was. Melee hunter was higher DPS, but ret had more utility and survivability.
Oh I thought you meant now. No rets are much stronger than rogues right now.
Yeah, and a bad ret will destroy a bad rogue.
Half of theplayer base in TBC were garbage, TBCC shown us all how much the playerbase has improved. Turns out, warriors are super effective when 80% of the player base are keyboard turning clickers with 400ms.
There’s only really shamans that can effectively dispell your shields.
I don’t think anybody is going to achieve that. Not even Barstronk the personnal loot sympathiser.
Anyone playing a Ret paladin at this stage and defending them being balanced is a joke. Paladins 1shot anything if you get close, all you can do to “Counter” them is hide, run, or logout.
If they catch up , wich they will do, Bubble Pony Hoj, Rep etc. You dead. No counters.
Blizzard needs to fix this broken class asap.
Disable their sealtwist rune in pvp is a good start.
There’s only really shamans that can effectively dispell your shields.
Priest can dispel and to a lesser extent felhunter.
Click Hammer of Justice, if enemy trinket. Repeteance, click Seal of Martyrdom, Seal of command(hopefully you got these 2 macro into 1 button.
So far 2 buttons to press.
And no, not a single class can dispel it, because they are Stunned, x2 if they trinket the first.
Skills required after the first initial stun
Right click> Mouseclick Crusader strike> Mouseclick judge and win, or if the enemy got full WB maybe toss in a little Divine storm for 50% of his hp as finisher. Ret still oneshot even after the “fix”
problem wasnt all classes, it was retardins.
Paladins response how to counter it:
*Skill issue
*Counter bubble
*LIP it
*Burrow ground AQ40 trinket
*No gap-closer (says the class with 16sec freedom 20sec cd) + a instant cast pony with 100% speed + dispel 3 effects in 1 cast.
Meanwhile playing as a paladin:
Walk mouseclick 3button keyturn and 90% winrate.
REMOVE SEALTWIST FROM SOD, it was not intended in original WoW it was a Delay due serverlag